Do you know the truth of the conflict between israel and palestine ?

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THIS POST IS NOT THE TO DISCRIMINATE ANY COUNTRY OR RELIGION, IT'S JUST FOR CREATING AWARENESS AND ONE OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER TOPIC TO DEBATE ON.
source : http://forum.santabanta.com/showthread.htm?t=133175
The Real Author is a History Student.


EVERY DAY WE HEAR ABOUT ISRAEL AND PALESTINE CONFLICT. BUT NOT MANY OF US KNOW WHAT IS THIS CONFLICT ALL ABOUT. SO HERE IS THE BRIEF OF THE CONFLICT:
THERE WAS NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD NAMED ISRAEL TILL 1948. AS ISRAEL WAS FORMED IN 1948 BY OCCUPYING PALESTINE.

PALESTINE WAS A COUNTRY UNDER BRITISH CONTROL UN TILL 1948 WHEN JEWS SEIZED POWER OF THE COUNTRY AND FORMED ISRAEL.
PALESTINE WAS A COUNTRY WITH THREE RELIGIONS MUSLIM, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. WITH JEWS IN MINORITY OF 9%. CHRISTIAN 8% AND MUSLIMS 81%(AS PER THE CONSENSUS OF 1910 ) ALTHOUGH BEFORE 1900 THE TOTAL POPULATION OF JEWS IN PALESTINE WAS EVEN LESS THEN 5%..
BUT DURING THE FIRST AND SECOND WORLD WAR WHEN JEWS WERE GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN EUROPE AND RUSSIA . THEY STARTED MIGRATING TO PALESTINE , WITH THE HELP OF BRITAIN THEY WERE ALLOWED TO SETTLE INSIDE PALESTINE AND SOON WITH THE SUPPORT OF BRITAIN THE MINORITY COMMUNITY OF JEWS BEGAN TO GROW STRONGER INSIDE PALESTINE. AFTER THE WORLD WAR 2 LARGE NO OF ARMED JEWS STARTED MIGRATING TO PALESTINE FROM EUROPE, RUSSIA, POLAND , CHEKOSOLOVAKIA AS JEWS HAVE BEEN MASS MURDERED IN THESE COUNTRIES .SOON THESE JEWS INSIDE PALESTINE START DEMANDING PALESTINE TO BE GIVEN TO THEM AS A JEWS HOMELAND. LOTS OR ARMS AND AMMUNITION AND FUNDS WERE COMING TO THESE JEWS FROM THE JEWS ALL AROUND THE WORLD . AS THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WERE ALSO AGREED WITH THE IDEA OF A SEPARATE JEWS HOMELAND AWAY FROM EUROPE (AS THE EURPOEAN WERE VERY ANNOYED ND AFRAID OF THE JEWS FINANACIAL POWERE AND CONNECTIONS AND SEE THEM AS THEIR RIVALS IN ACUIRING THE WORLDS FINANCIAL CONTOL).SO THE EUROPE GAVE ALL THEIR
SUPPORT TO THE JEWS REBEL GROUP INSIDE PALESTINE.
IN 1948 THE JEWS BEGUN REVOLT AGAINST PALESTINE. PALESTINE ARMY WITH OLD ARMS AND TECHNOLOGY HAD NO MATCH AGAINST THE JEWS WITH THE LATEST ARMS AND TECHNOLOGY PROVIDED BY BRITAIN AND U.S.A. SOON THE JEWS RAVISHED THE PALESTINE ARMY AND MANY PALESTINE ARABS FLED THE COUNTY TO THE NEIGHBOURING ARAB COUNTRIES (MAINLY EGYPT, JORDON AND SYRIA). THE JEWS HAD CAPTURED PALESTINE AND DECLARED IT AS A NEW NATION CALLED `ISRAEL , U.S.A IMM ACKNOWLEDGED THIS NEWLY FORMED COUNTRY IN UNO AND ISRAEL WAS DECLARED A INDEPENDENED NEW NATION.

SO THIS IS THE HISTORY OF ISRAEL . ISRAEL IS THE COUNTRY WHICH IS FORMED IN PALESTINE BY GRADUALLY REMOVING PALESTINE PEOPLE FROM THERE OWN COUNTRY AND OCCUPYING THEIR LAND SINCE 1948.
SINCE 1948 THE PALESTINE PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO GET THEIR HOMELAND BACK FROM ISRAEL. BUT THEY ARE TOO WEAK AS THEY ARE UP AGAINST THE MIGHT OF USA AND ALL OF EUROPE.,

ALTHOUGH IT IS PALESTINE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR HOME LAND AND HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER ISRAELI OCCUPATION SINCE MORE THEN 60YEARS NOW, BUT IT IS ISRAEL WHO HAS BEEN SHOWN AS A VICTIM OF PALESTINE ALL OVER THE WORLD ?
IT IS BECAUSE ALL THE WORLD MEDIA HAVE BEEN CONTROLLED BY JEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALL THE MAJOR NEWS PAPERS (LIKE NEW YORK TIMES,WASHINGTON POST,TIMES MAGAZINE, DAILY HERALD, THE TELEGRAPH U.K ,ETC ) AND TV NEWS CHANNELS (LIKE CNN , BBC , FOX NEWS, ABC NEWS) ARE UNDER DIRECT OR INDIRECT CONTROL OF THE JEWS. AND THIS SYNDICATE OF WESTERN MEDIA IS PORTRAYING SINCE ALL THESE YEARS ISRAEL AS INNOCENT COUNTRY AND PALESTINIANS AS TERRORIST!!

BUT THE FACT IS THAT UN TILL 1989 PALESTINIAN WERE DEMANDING THEIR HOME LAND BACK FROM ISRAEL PEACE FULLY AND THEY EVEN AGREED TO GIVE MORE HALF THERE LAND TO THE JEWS BUT THEY RECEIVED NO RESPONSE FROM ISRAEL. SO AFTER LOOSING ALL HOPES THEY STARTED THEIR ARMED STRUGGLE FROM 1987 ( IT IS TRUUE THAT NO FREEDOM CAN BE WON WITHOUT STRUGGLE).
From 1987 to 1993, the First Palestinian Intifada against Israel took place. After few years of on-and-off negotiations, the Palestinian groups have launched an orchestrated attack against Israel. This was known as the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The events were highlighted by Palestinian suicide bombing in Israel that killed only a few Israeli's but created a panic inside israel, and the continued Israeli Security Forces invasions and targeted killings of Palestinian group leaders, which resulted mostly in many Innocent Palestinians civilians deaths.
AND IT WAS THE RESULT OF THIS ARMED STRUGGLE THAT IN 1994 ISRAEL AGREED TO GIVE SOME OF THE PALESTINE HOME LAND BACK TO PALESTINE (WEST BANK AND GAZA AND EAST JERUSALEM) . BUT EVEN THIS WAS DELAYED FOR MANY YEARS AND IN 2001 PALESTINIAN STARTED THEIR STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE AGAIN WITH WHAT EVER LIMITED MEANS THEY HAD. IT BRINGS IN SOME RESULTS AND IN YEAR 2004 ISRAEL FORCES MOVED OUT OF WEST BANK AND GAZA(BUT EAST JERUSALEM STILL WAS UNDER ISRAEL OCCUPATION) .

Also in 2002, the Road map for peace calling for the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was proposed by a "quartet": the United States, European Union, Russia, and United Nations. U.S. President George W. Bush in a speech on June 24, 2002 called for an independent Palestinian state living side by side with Israel in peace. But it never metalized. Only Gaza and west bank were vacated by Israeli forces but even they were kept under indirect control of Israel.

BUT THIS LIMITED INDEPENDENCE HAD MADE THINGS EVEN WORSE FOR PALESTINIANS AS BOTH GAZA AND WEST BANK HAS BEEN CIRCLED FROM ALL SIDE BY ISRAEL AND ISRAEL HAS MADE 10 METERS TALL CONCRETE WALL AND HENCE MADE ALL PALESTINE PEOPLE AS PRISONERS WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THE PALESTINE PEOPLE HAVE NO AIR PORT OR SEA PORT OF THEIR OWN AS BOTH HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY THE ISRAELI ARMY AND THE ISRAELI ARMY IS RELUCTANT TO ALLOW PALESTINE TO MAKE ANY AIR PORT AND E PORT. HENCE THE ONLY WAY THE PALESTINE PEOPLE CAN GO OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY IF BY PASSING FROM ISRAEL. ISRAELI ARMY HAS MADE CHECKPOSTS AT ALL THE CROSSINGS FROM GAZA AND WEST BANK AND OFTEN HARASS THEM AND NOT LETTING THEM MOVE OUT OF PALESTINE. NO NEW TECHNOLOGY OK ANY KIND IS EVER ALLOWED TO ENTER PALESTINE AS ISRAEL REFUSE TO ALLOW ANYTHING WHICH CAN EDUCATE PALESTINE ON THE PERTEX THAT IT CAN LATER BE USED TO MAKE SOME KIND OF WEAPONS AGAINST ISRAEL !! EVEN THE SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES DON`T HAVE LABS OR LITERATURE TO EDUCATE STUDENTS ABOUT SCIENCE AND NEW TECHNOLOGIES. AS ISRAEL DON`T WANT THEM TO LEARN AND LATER BECOME SCIENTIST OR ENGINEERS.

THESE HELPLESS PALESTINIANS HAVE ONLY ONE WAY OF FIGHTING AGAINST THIS MOST MODERN FORCES OF ISRAEL` BY FIRING HOME MADE ROCKETS TOWARDS ISRAEL FROM THEIR BORDER. BUT THIS IS A USELESS WEAPON AS THESE ROCKETS ARE HOME MADE THEY HAS NO ACCURACY AND RANGE.
 
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THAT IS THE REASON THAT IN THE PAST 8 YEARS MORE THEN 5000 ROCKETS HAVE BEEN FIRED BY THE PALESTINIANS EXTREMIST AND THEY HAVE MANAGED TO KILL JUST 18 ISRAELI'S. YES JUST 18 ISRAELI'S IN 8 YEARS!! WHERE AS ISRAEL AS KILLED MORE THEN 5000 PALESTINIANS AND INJURED MORE THEN 20000 PALESTINIANS ON THE PERTEX OF TAKING REVENGE AGAINST THESE ROCKET ATTACKS. SO MANY OF YOU NOW CAN IMAGINE THAT THE LATEST ISRAEL ATTACK ON GAZA IN WHICH MORE THEN 1400 PALESTINIANS WERE KILLED (550 CHILDREN AND 250 WOMEN) AND MORE THEN 5000 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN INJURED (MAJORITY OF THEM IS CHILDREN AND WOMEN). THIS ATTACK ON GAZA AS TOLD BY ISRAEL TO THE WORLD WAS TO AVENGE THIS SO CALLED USELESS ROCKET ATTACKS ON ISRAEL. CAN U IMAGINE HOW CRUEL AND RUTHLESS THE ISRAELI REGIME IS ? THEY ARE COMMITTING GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE AND CALLING IT AS A ATTACK TO STOP THE FLOW OF ROCKETS INSIDE THEIR COUNTRY ?? THE ROCKETS WHICH HAD KILLED JUST 18 PEOPLE IN LAST 8 YEARS. MORE THEN THIS NO OF PEOPLE ARE KILLED EVERY YEAR WHIILE SWIMMING IN BEACHES IN ISRAEL. SO WHOULD THEY STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING TO BEACHES ALSO ???
Israel’s latest war in Gaza has confirmed for many of its critics what had been apparent to many in the Middle East, that Israel has no interest in any negotiated peace, because peace means Israel would have to give back some occupied territory.
The Israelis are now engaged in the same media campaign before slaughtering more Palestinian women and children.

Israel's 22-day offensive in the Gaza Strip from 27 december to 18 january killed 1,434 people, including 960 civilians, 239 police officers and 235 fighters, a total of 5,303 Palestinians were injured in the assault, including 1,606 children and 828 women,"
It’s so pathetic and it is hypocrisy as usual.

SO IN THE THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY AND AMAZING EVENT OF HISTORY. A GROUP OF MINORITY JEWS COMMUNITY CONSISTING LESS THEN 10% OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE PALATINE KEPT ON GROWING BY IMMIGRATING JEWS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND WHEN THEIR POPULATION REACHED 30% THEY REVOLVED AGAINST THE ORIGINAL RIGHTFUL OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND TOOK OVER THEIR COUNTY AND MADE THE PALESTINIANS AS REFUGEE INSIDE THEIR OWN COUNTRY OF PALESTINE !!
IT IS CLASSIC LESSON IN PURE AND SIMPLE MEDIA MANIPULATION. BRAIN WASHING THE WORLD, AT IT BEST. WITH CAREFUL SCHEMING AND MANIPULATION. ISRAEL HAS ALWAYS PRECONDITIONED THE WORLD OPINION TO ACCEPT EVERY FORTHCOMING AGGRESSION. AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SUCCESSFULLY MANAGED TO PROJECT THEM SELVES AS THE GOOD-GUYS.
PALESTINE, WHICH IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF THE TERRITORY. IS PRESENTED TO THE WORLD BY THE JEWS PR MACHINE AS A PRIMITIVE, BARBARIC, STONE-AGE COMMUNITY RULED BY A GROUP OF TERRORISTS THAT DISTURB THE WORLD PEACE!

Over the years, the Israelis have succeeded in their campaign to portray themselves as the victim – not the aggressor. As a result, when there is a crisis in the West Bank, the World looks on, turning a blind eye to the aggression.

SO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE READ THIS THEAD CAN NOW UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH BEHIND ISRAEL, MANY OF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE SADNESS, THE ANGER ,THE HELPLESSNESS OF THESE INNOCENT PALESTINIANS WHO HAS BEEN MADE PRISONERS BY ISRAEL INSIDE THEIR OWN COUNTRY !!! WHO EVERYDAY WATCHES ISRAELS KILLING THEIR INNOCENT CHILDREN , MEN , WOMEN AND STILL THEY CAN JUST DO NOTHING BUT ONLY CAN CRY OVER THEIR DESTINY.
 

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Nice to see you're quoting your sources now. ;)

It's a shame so much of it is in CAPITAL LETTERS!
 

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You know, I was going to say something, but I think I'd rather not get into a heated debate about this article :biggrin:

I'll just say that I think the whole thing is a tragedy. It has been since the second century. And, it probably will be long after I'm dead and gone.
 

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It's strange how the post starts off by saying that it doesn't want to discriminate against any country or religion, & then goes on to show that it is clearly just a ONE-SIDED POLITICAL RANT.

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.......THESE HELPLESS PALESTINIANS HAVE ONLY ONE WAY OF FIGHTING AGAINST THIS MOST MODERN FORCES OF ISRAEL` BY FIRING HOME MADE ROCKETS TOWARDS ISRAEL FROM THEIR BORDER. BUT THIS IS A USELESS WEAPON AS THESE ROCKETS ARE HOME MADE THEY HAS NO ACCURACY AND RANGE........

........THAT IS THE REASON THAT IN THE PAST 8 YEARS MORE THEN 5000 ROCKETS HAVE BEEN FIRED BY THE PALESTINIANS EXTREMIST AND THEY HAVE MANAGED TO KILL JUST 18 ISRAELI'S. YES JUST 18 ISRAELI'S IN 8 YEARS!!

dhruv227, some parts of this post are boarding on the aggressive. I'd be careful what you re-post if I was you, as you have already unfortunately had more than 1 infraction & a ban from X10 for some of your previous posts. Just a thought. :happysad: Also, if you are going to keep re-posting other people's work, how about adding a comment about it of your own?

I'm not taking sides in the political debate here. Personally I think just one killing, by any country, is one too many. When are people going to learn to use their intelligence - by talking to each other, their hearts - by caring about each other, & stop our savage acts of murdering each other?
 
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The issue between Israel and Palestine has always been over religious beliefs and land disputes, 'nuff said.

Otherwise is it me or is someone's CAPS lock button broken? :biggrin:
 

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It's strange how the post starts off by saying that it doesn't want to discriminate against any country or religion, & then goes on to show that it is clearly just a ONE-SIDED POLITICAL RANT.



dhruv227, some parts of this post are boarding on the aggressive. I'd be careful what you re-post if I was you, as you have already unfortunately had more than 1 infraction & a ban from X10 for some of your previous posts. Just a thought. :happysad: Also, if you are going to keep re-posting other people's work, how about adding a comment about it of your own?

I'm not taking sides in the political debate here. Personally I think just one killing, by any country, is one too many. When are people going to learn to use their intelligence - by talking to each other, their hearts - by caring about each other, & stop our savage acts of murdering each other?
Couldn't have said it better myself. Ranting has no place in these forums, not even in crossfire. There are many different views to this debate. There is the factual, and the religious. There are also different perspectives from different religions. It does not matter what the media says, everyone knows that both sides believe the other are terrorists. N'uff said.
 

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THERE WAS NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD NAMED ISRAEL TILL 1948. AS ISRAEL WAS FORMED IN 1948 BY OCCUPYING PALESTINE.

I'm definitely not getting into this quicksand debate. However, the bold initial premise is way off. I didn't bother reading more.

All you need to do is go back and look at the Old Testament for a history of the people of Israel. While the term Israel in the Old Testament surely didn't have today's political borders, the formation of Israel dates far far far far far before 1948. It is naive to think otherwise.

You don't have to believe in the Old Testament here ... just read it and note the repeated use of the "people of Israel" and landmarks that are often still the same name as today's landmarks. This mostly from oral and written histories between 200 and 1800 BC.

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THIS POST IS NOT THE TO DISCRIMINATE ANY COUNTRY OR RELIGION, IT'S JUST FOR CREATING AWARENESS AND ONE OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER TOPIC TO DEBATE ON.
source : http://forum.santabanta.com/showthread.htm?t=133175

Bringing forth a totally biased, unbalanced article is your way of presenting a debatable topic that's not supposed to discriminate any country or religion? :dunno: ok. Moving right along...

I'm definitely not getting into this quicksand debate. However, the bold initial premise is way off. I didn't bother reading more.

All you need to do is go back and look at the Old Testament for a history of the people of Israel. While the term Israel in the Old Testament surely didn't have today's political borders, the formation of Israel dates far far far far far before 1948. It is naive to think otherwise.

You don't have to believe in the Old Testament here ... just read it and note the repeated use of the "people of Israel" and landmarks that are often still the same name as today's landmarks. This mostly from oral and written histories between 200 and 1800 BC.

Merrilmck is correct that the land of Israel's right to ownership by the Jewish people traces as far back as biblical times.

Unfortunately, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has got to be one of the finest examples of blatant media bias towards the underdog, the Palestinians. The media demonstrate sheer ignorance of the actual goings on in Israel by very often reporting the Palestinian propaganda claiming that Israel constantly violates human rights, Israel kills innocent children and civilians deliberately, Israel raids the Gaza Strip just to destroy buildings and kill innocent Palestinians.

In fact, Israel usually has to enter the Gaza Strip to make raids on homes and other buildings containing Palestinian terrorists, who constantly plot new and innovative ways to infiltrate Jerusalem and the surrounding cities and launch suicide bomb attacks on innocent Israelis. The recent propaganda about Israel deliberately killing innocent women and children during Operation Cast Lead, their recent incursion into the Gaza Strip, is blatantly false. Many Palestinian terrorists used civilians as human shields when trying to escape from the oncoming Israeli troops.

This is the daily, biased trash the world is fed by the likes of the ABC, BBC, and The Age. If you want to read more unbiased, balanced news about Israe, try visiting
www.honestreporting.com
www.jpost.com


Then compare those 2 sites to the news presented by the BBC, etc. and you'll soon detect the bias virtually oozing from the world's media.
 
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Ok so they (Israeli) were not the original inhabitants, they are from Mesopotamia

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3'rd millennium BC : The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho . They developed an alphabet. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC.
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2'rd millennium BC : Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200000.
So invasion started from here

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14th century BC : Egyptian power began to weaken, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock.

Joshua led the Jews but did not conquered the whole Palestine

And the Phillistines controlled Jerusalem that they got from the Cannaaites

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1230 BC : Joshua conquered parts of Palestine. The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.

1125 BC : The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult . Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled the Canaanite town of Jerusalem.
and history continues, so the guy was right originally the land of Palestine belong to Palestinian who were called Canaaites long ago however it's like everywhere, wars occured to gain territories and today you still see it prevailing in the world and this is the reason of most wars that are still happening

I'll search more about the history of Palestine and Israel and will post if I find something new
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na .... see it's written original inhabitants are the Canaaites (Palestine was called CANAAN and Palestine is what the Roman used to call it) and Hebrew invaded it after, the first Jewish conqueror was Joshua for he led the Hebrew to the "Promised Land" (see previous post), David came after (see the next lines) , see here
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1000 BC : David, Israel's great king, finally defeated the Philistines, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites . The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem.
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922 BC : Under David's son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity , but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south .
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722-721 BC : When nearby empires resumed their expansion, the divided Israelites could no longer maintain their independence . Israel fell to Assyria.
and from this defeat started the Jewish Diaspora, that is the expulsion of Jews out of that land

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586 BC : Judah was conquered by Babylonia, which destroyed Jerusalem and exiled most of the Jews living there. Nebuchadnezzar entered Jerusalem. The Temple was sacked and set fire to, and razed to the ground. The Royal Palace and all the great houses were destroyed, the population carried off in chains to Babylon. And they lamented on their long march into exile.


Well despite some doubtful info in this thread, I'll say thanks it forced me to search in history and made me see beyon the jewish diaspora , which was the only even I knew because of my lack of knowledge, still I do not side with any of those countries, because from my point of view it's a war to claim territorry and this based on religion and this kind of war we see it almost everywhere , it's just that people could not yet find a sort of solution to live together

People conquered many lands at the end; the heritage that each of us has today isn't it the result of what occured centuries ago in History ? Some people can live together and exchange, some cannot, it's life and see the result

Well I hope that one day those could live in peace

That's all I can say, maybe if people searched within the origin rather than basing their views on what they are told today to believe it blindly, then maybe the world could change
 
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I think you make a good point.
But besides that, people never are content with what they have. They must always have something better. So the Arabs must have something better than what they have. And I think the Israelis are just fed up with all the attacks and are trying to put the Arabs in their proper place.
 

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.....trying to put the Arabs in their proper place.

Not a good choice of phrase.

Killing for the sake of religion, from whichever side, just makes more of a joke of their religion.

Some countries manage ethnic & religious integration quite successfully. Some, clearly, have made a sickening mess of it.

People have to learn to live with each other, whatever their own views & religion. We all live on this one planet together.
 
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Just to clarify my position ... then I'm getting off this topic.

The premise of the original poster is that this all started in 1948. I think that is provably false without getting into any details of who was here first and who is right.

That's my only position. I'm certainly not taking sides on this sensitive topic.
 

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Not a good choice of phrase.
Bare in mind, you're talking to a jew here. In light of that, we had the promised land before the Arabs ever had it. It still belongs to us and the Arabs have no right to it. That's my view.;)
 

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Oh that makes it all right then. :hahano:

Wherabouts does "killing & mutilating each other for land is acceptible" feature in your religion, exactly? Nice religions both sides must have!
 
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Oh that makes it all right then. :hahano:

Wherabouts does "killing & mutilating each other for land is acceptible" feature in your religion, exactly? Nice religions both sides must have!
I'll give it to you that 'mutilating' shouldn't have its place in this war. But, killing is necessary since the Arabs won't come to terms. I'm sure if the Arabs left the Israelis alone, the Israelis would stop attacking them.
 

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How naive.

And once again religion shows its true colours.
 
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