sorry if i pissed u off magistrate, but i just got bored so i thought i would try. i dont think that i am having that problem, i just cant code that well yet. (not to be rude) but we do all have skills like you. (no offense). I, am still learning PHP. i know right much HTML, but i can know more. but i understand what your saying, but alot of visitors will turn away if they dont see graphics.i mean if i see a site that has time put into it, i think that it is official. so i kind of disagree with you, if you want the graphics go for it, but dont let them be all of your site.you need to have good strong conent behind it.