War in the middle east

[SEÑOR]

So right now this whole war is going on in the middle east. Today 8 canadians died there. Israel and lebenon keep going at it. Is bombing eachothers really gonna help get peace? Is giving away land like Gaza going to get peace with the crazy people in the middle east? I have a trip planned to go to israel in Augast and now Im getting kinda scared to go? Whats your take on the war is there any right or wrong country here?

 

[Starshine]

A right or wrong country?? ... I believe all war is wrong ... There has to be other ways to do it. If they have these councils and the United Nations, where countries can come and talk and whatnot - why aren't all these countries using what they have available, instead of blowing the hell out of others.

Its like those in Iraq saying that Allah is proud that they are killing themselves and others ... what just God would like that??

 

[Spartan Erik]

This is out of the United Nations's ability to fix. As a matter of fact, the UN is the most useless organization of nations I've ever seen; it's a greater failure than the previous League of Nations. You might want to change your Israel trip plans, this war will last a long while.

Also, remember those WMD's that Saddam had sent to hide in Syria and Iran? If Israel doesn't quit, Hezbollah will definitely take Saddam's WMD stash and launch them to Israel (Sarin? Mustard? Dirty bombs?).

I hope Israel and Hezbollah lose enough soldiers to let the issue finally die down. Once Syria and Iran are hit by Israel, a world war will start. I'm just suprised Bush has not told Israel to be careful like the other members of the G8.

The main reason this conflict still exists is because the U.S. has favoritism towards the Jewish population, and Israel's arrogance in land disputes. $3 billion of our tax dollars go to Israel (annually), and that money, in turn, is used to purchase weapons from us! Now you see why arabic terrorist groups are targeting us. If we cut off support to Israel (which we should), they would stop.

If you ask me, the prime minister of Israel is a war criminal like any other terrorist leader. We still should settle the score about what happened aboard the USS Liberty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_(AGTR-5)

 

[Chris Z]

yup, just like spartan erik said, this is beyond the UN's reach, they are pretty much worthless in this war, beacuse this is a religous war, these people are determined to go as far as they need to until they're satisfied with their land/position or w/e

 

[SEÑOR]

I disagree, whats israel supposed to? ALl these muslims and what not keep sneaking in and bombing the **** out of cafes, restaurants,buildings, busses, tokill civillians. And all israel does is give land.

 

[Spartan Erik]

I disagree, whats israel supposed to? ALl these muslims and what not keep sneaking in and bombing the **** out of cafes, restaurants,buildings, busses, tokill civillians. And all israel does is give land.

But you must remember, Israel was the one who began this; trace this back to biblical times. The people (now known as Palestinians) owned the land for thousands of years. After WWII the Jews came in by the tens of thousands and took the land from the Palestinians. True, the land the Palestinians had was nearly worthless and mostly farmland, and the Jews built up cities, etc. At one point in time they co-existed somewhat (minor fights, etc). However, thanks to Ariel Sharon and his arrogant attitude near a mosque where Palestinians were worshipping, he pissed off enough Palestinians to bring up a larger conflict. Many of the blame can be spread to Israel's leaders, but the terrorists too are no good. But like I said, if it weren't for many of the issues that were created by Israel, terrorism would not be an issue.

As a matter of fact, before this large war started, only an Israeli soldier had been captured. Hostage situations can be solved through diplomacy (usually; this time I believe diplomacy would have worked). However, Israel has now inflicted this war on themselves. They were the ones to send out the attacks with full force in the first place. In my opinion, they're getting a taste of their own medicine.

The people I feel sorry for are the civilians on both sides; it's too bad we can't just give the leaders some sticks and let them fight it out themselves.

 

[SEÑOR]

In biblical times it known that the jews own the holy land of israael. Also yeah sticks would be good for the leaders

 

[ƒorte]

The United Nations is composed of a bunch of idiot dictators.

War is the only answer. What are we gonna do, talk to the terrorists!? These F$*@ing people want us all DEAD. Understand that? Their bible tells them that they are supreme and Israel should be wiped off the map.. They're not going to be talked out of this you stupid idiotic morons!

The only way to prevent the deaths of people is to kill people in war. Strange, isn't it? That's how it works.

If we didn't go to war with them, they'd attack us! If you can't see that, you're a dolt.

We can't wait for another reason to attack them. We have to stop them from an attempt.

 

[Spartan Erik]

The United Nations is composed of a bunch of idiot dictators.

War is the only answer. What are we gonna do, talk to the terrorists!? These F$*@ing people want us all DEAD. Understand that? Their bible tells them that they are supreme and Israel should be wiped off the map.. They're not going to be talked out of this you stupid idiotic morons!

The only way to prevent the deaths of people is to kill people in war. Strange, isn't it? That's how it works.

If we didn't go to war with them, they'd attack us! If you can't see that, you're a dolt.

We can't wait for another reason to attack them. We have to stop them from an attempt.

Forte's right. We've been tossing money at the situation since the 70s when tensions were rising; terrorists do need to be dealt with, but there wouldn't have been terrorists if Israeli's were not as arrogant initially

 

[randomize]

There is no such thing as "JUST WAR". We have been throwing money at this.... and for what exactly? For people to blow us to bits, and blow other people to bits? To fight over land! And if this is religious, no god wants to see his people killed.

However, why can't we just sit down, and divide the land and sort it and talk civily!

The UN, just disintigrate, all it does is absolutly nothing! They say they are all powerful, and can make peace! If they can do that, why haven't they done it by now?

I feel that I have no idea what I am talking about, but I thought I would post this anywho!

Regards,
Randomize

 

[Jacob]

I agree with the masses. The United Nations does absolutley nothing. All of the leaders get together and vote on things, but what good does it do? None. As for the war in Iraq with the United States, I am beginning to have mixed feelings. I am a strong Republican and a major supporter of President Bush, but I think things have been mishandled in Iraq. We [the US] should have went into Iraq, shown them who's boss, and got the heck out of there. But, no, we being the US, had to be nice about it.

For those of you who are arguing the point of "Why war? Why can't we talk about it?": sorry, but, as unfortunate as it is, it just doesn't work that way. There are always going to be leaders in countries thinking wars are the only possible way to resolve issues. There are always going to be terrorists and radicals who "feel the need" to go and bomb things, causing turmoil between their countries and others. There are always going to be attacks, leading to wars to try and settle the differences. Countries are never going to get everything right, such as free elections, women's rights, education, health care, etc. These wars go all the way back to Biblical times, as Spartan Erik said. Wars between kingdoms were raging, because of land, people and money. As sad as it is, war is never going to go away, and we need to get out there and support our countries the best we can.

 

[Theotherside]

Hello everyone! I would just like to remind everyone to be considerate of peoples views, and to not sink to personal attacks. If anyone feels that I have done so please tell me, for I do not wish to.

My personal belief is that we needed to defend ourselves, and thats what we are doing. I hear a lot of people tell me that we just "waged war" for no reason, that we hadn't been attacked. 9/11 was an attack on our soil. Also, due to Bush's dad not finishing the job, 9/11 happened. And if we don't finish it now, it will happen again, possibly with more severe consequences. I suppose what I am saying is we've seen what happens when we don't finish what we start, so we need to make sure it does not lead to that again. War should be avoided if possible, but there is a time when you need to step up, and defend yourself. When you have people flying planes in our buildings, thats time to step up.

About death's, this war has had the least casualties among all of our big wars. A big problem is the media (how I loathe the media!), they broadcast whats the most provacative (deaths, and tragedy's, and people hating that we're there). Not the parts true statistics of how few casualties there truly are compared to our other campaigns. Also, tons of people there are truly thankful, and love that we came, but that is rarely shown. Vietnam is a good example what happens when the media gets involved in wars. Take the Tet offensive, the Vietnamese made the mistake of going toe to toe with us, and we broke their back. However Walter Cronkite (sp?) and others sent a different message. This resulted with an outbreak of angered people, who thought one thing was going one when it wasn't.

Now Media can be good, if it's done the right way. If they are trying to get a true, well rounded, quality story, even if it takes longer, but way to often it's quickness and quanity, not quality. Anyway, that is just my opinion..
God Bless,

(Thank you Jacob for your post!)

-Theotherside