Google, Yahoo, MSN Search and the Government

[Chris S]

I was wondering what everybody thought about the government asking the major search engins to hand over the search for porn.

--My case--
I believe that Microsoft and Yahoo were not the brightest people to hand over the search results just like that. Now Google, on the other hand, was smart. They with held their database. So now the government went and is now sueing them. They are demanding the rights to access the database. So really my point is that Google, the great empire , was smart in with holding the government's demands.

Just curious on what your thoughts and opnions are on this subject.

Ok here are some links on this topic
http://caglecartoons.com/images/preview/{E040B3EA-39CF-4001-A1A6-896CAFA68798}.gif - google feds cartoon

http://www.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/01/24/google.china.ap/ - cnn news report on how google aggres to China censorship

http://9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGN...MPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf - google battles government over porn investigation

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=2&id=6731 - google fights government snooping

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/internetprivacy/2006-01-19-google-search-records_x.htm - Google battles government over porn investigation

http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0039277.cfm - Google and the Federal Government at Odds Over Records

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=23169 - Government Wants To See Every Search You've Made


Well. Now it is up to you to tell us what you think.

Thanks for responding

 

[Brandon]

http://caglecartoons.com/images/pre...AFA68798}.gif

I feel like typing in Nuclear Bomb Build, Chemical Weapons, Nuclear Plants. lol

 

[moose]

The Government = Queers? Yeah.

They don't know the right way to search for it.

Why would they even need that? To track terrorists? (Yeah, it makes no sense. That's the point.) And trying to sue Google for that?

Who the hell do they think they are? God?

Well.. I think we should conclude on everyone search for gay porn then the government will be supprised and will think we are just like them, and are friends. No not really.

But yeah, anyways, who the hell do they think they are?

 

[Chris S]

They believe they can control the entire us. thats who they think they are. Also, like you mentioned in your next to last paragraph there is a site like that. They tell everyone to search for like porn, nuclear bombs, building bombs and random other things.

 

[moose]

Lmao.. they're all probably gonna get baked in an oven just because the gov't thought they were suspicious.

 

[Brandon]

Don't support the Goverment!

Click Me!

 

[Spartan Erik]

actually i believe the government has every right to spy on us
im for the nsa and for the viewing of search queries and results..

we live in this country, the u.s. government has every right to put parts of the constitution on hold during a time of war

and please dont let this be a flame thread, but think of it this way
luckily for most people, they arent hanging traitors like they used to.

i prefer a strong secure government over a free government waiting for destruction

what good is freedom if you're dead?

 

[humphrey]

I don't agree with the government of both China and United States.
Both don't have the right to spy and "censor" stuff that criticize them; its a free world

 

[Chris S]

in response to sentient1080

They do NOT have the right to suspend any part of the constitution. what is the point of having one if they can suspend it when they want and for how ever long they want. What is the point of having a bill to get passed by 2/3rds of the congress if its a constitutional amendement. So that is my rant on how they do NOT have the right to suspend any part of it if they want

 

[moose]

in response to sentient1080

They do NOT have the right to suspend any part of the constitution. what is the point of having one if they can suspend it when they want and for how ever long they want. What is the point of having a bill to get passed by 2/3rds of the congress if its a constitutional amendement. So that is my rant on how they do NOT have the right to suspend any part of it if they want

True.

And sentient1080, think about it. They're looking at your PORN search results. Not "build chemical weapons" search results.

I think that would be pointless.

 

[dsfreak]

I agree too. I see no reason why they should be allowed to access the results. Really, that is illegal. Do to the Constitutional rights guaranteed to every citizen, the goverment does not, legally, have the right to view what you do. Sure, they can, with valid reason, see things. But, if they just want to see what people are looking for porn, they I say, no. Google had better win, as there is no legal way that the goverenment could. Why? They have NO PROBABLE CAUSE!


Also, DesertWar, that link is bad. I hope a mod or admin removes that, since it could get many people into trouble. Anybody that reads this, don't click on DesertWar's link.

 

[moose]

How would it get you in trouble to click it?

Wouldn't even just regular people search on how to build nuclear bombs?

It was just a joke anyways. Funny stuff..

 

[Spartan Erik]

in response to sentient1080

They do NOT have the right to suspend any part of the constitution. what is the point of having one if they can suspend it when they want and for how ever long they want. What is the point of having a bill to get passed by 2/3rds of the congress if its a constitutional amendement. So that is my rant on how they do NOT have the right to suspend any part of it if they want

True.

And sentient1080, think about it. They're looking at your PORN search results. Not "build chemical weapons" search results.

I think that would be pointless.

lol why does everyone care?
as long as you arent a criminal/pedophile, you shouldnt be worried!
hm.. moose, demos, you two arent pedophiles are you? :tongue:

who cares if the government knows
if you're hiding something thats against the law you should be prosecuted!

speaking of politics, turns out iraq did have WMD's after all.. a general for saddam's air force discussed it today and wrote a book about it

turns out that a year before the war started, saddam was planning to attack israel much like how the japanese bombed pearl harbour. his plan was to send two waves of planes carrying poison-gas bombs.. however, the air force general told saddam not to since they would have to fly over syria and jordan, and in doing so, israel would shoot down the planes which would end up gassing the wrong people. they gutted several 737's and stuffed them with all their WMD's, and shipped their laboratories by 18-wheeler into syria.

i really wish the army would reinstate the draft for adults so punks like ted kennedy could stop blabbing about rights and see what war is like

 

[moose]

It's nothing about us worrying if the government knows if we're doing illegal stuff, it's the thing about if you let the Government do all the shizzle they want whenever they want, then what meaning does the Constitution have left?

We're saying that the government is making laws just to break them themselves. And, that is super gay. lol.

 

[moose]

hm.. moose, demos, you two arent pedophiles are you? :tongue:

hnoes:hnoes:hnoes:

Just kidding. Don't worry. That's Micheal Jackson.

 

[Spartan Erik]

We're saying that the government is making laws just to break them themselves. And, that is super gay. lol.

haha well they are only temporarily breaking them.. it is for the better of the nation, after all it is a time of war where people are after american blood

surely you would want all the intel available.. how many more people need to die in a terrorist attack to get the message through?

plus the nsa only begins eavesdropping when their robots detect keywords like bomb and such.. its not like your normal phone conversations are all recorded.. unless you mention 'bomb' nsa's audio machines have nothing against you :coolugh:

 

[moose]

Oh well, my IP's location isn't USA anyways

 

[Chris S]

We're saying that the government is making laws just to break them themselves. And, that is super gay. lol.

haha well they are only temporarily breaking them.. it is for the better of the nation, after all it is a time of war where people are after american blood

surely you would want all the intel available.. how many more people need to die in a terrorist attack to get the message through?

plus the nsa only begins eavesdropping when their robots detect keywords like bomb and such.. its not like your normal phone conversations are all recorded.. unless you mention 'bomb' nsa's audio machines have nothing against you :coolugh:

now that is an idea i hadn't thought of. True it would detect when you typed in stuff like bomb or anything. But still, I believe that they do not have the right to spy on us over something thats kinda public domain. I mean you can search for anything you want right?

 

[Brandon]

Here lets have something funny!

They will never find me in

Population 1

 

[bigguy]

If this is to protect children form "child Pornography" and the likes then I`m all for it and google should have lied down and let the goverment have those specific records from there database. (Not all records, just records pertaining to what the goverment wants stoppped)

The issue in the COPA litigation is whether it's better to make it a crime to sell things to your average 4 year old instead of giving parents the ability to filter that stuff out. The government argues that no filtering technology keeps out all the things that parents might not want their kids to see, and therefore, we have to make sure that nobody can ever sell that kind of stuff without some effective means of verifying that the recipient is not a kid - even to a 17 year old kid with mom or dad's credit card. The argument suggests we have to make it a crime because filters aren't 100% effective. Sure. And by the way, drugs have been illegal for years. How is that working out in reducing their use and availability?

This entire debate would be academic, except for the means the government has decided to employ to attempt to prove its case. A civil subpoena for, well, the Internet.

What the government subpoenaed from Google, and presumably from all the other search engines was "[a]ll URLs that are available to be located through a query on your computer's search engine as of July 31, 2005" and further demanded production of "[a]ll queries that have been entered on [Google's] search engine between June 1, 2005 and July 31, 2005, inclusive." Although the government ultimately narrowed the scope of the subpoena somewhat after negotiations with Google's lawyers, both the original and modified requests are startlingly broad in scope and remarkably irrelevant to the underlying litigation.

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/383