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Agreed re: Public Displays of Affection. Yeah, a peck or two isn't bad, holding hands is ok, but please, I don't want to see ANYONE making out in public. Thanks. Groping, slurping sounds... gag...

I've always had a theory about flaming in society. Granted, I think "straight" people in general would be a lot happier with the gay community if they were seen as basically normal people who just happen to have a same sex partner. The major problem, I think, is that the only people who straight people see around them as "gay" are people who are such over-the-top flamers that being homosexual is equated with that gay stereotype image. Even straight men who are little more in touch with their emotions and feelings, or straight woman who are tomboys and like sports, are seen as "gay" when truly they aren't. "Gay" has become an insult meaning "you aren't masculine enough," or for women, "you're not feminine enough." This insult gets perpetuated by legitimate gay people who are unsure about how to seek out someone who is the same orientation as they are. If you are a straight guy, and a gay guy walks up to you and asks you out, wouldn't you think they are calling you less masculine somehow? It also gets perpetuated by, for example, a straight man asking a woman out. If she declines, rather than let the ego get bruised, it's easy to think the woman must be a lesbian or something.

Oddly enough, flaming is both the answer and the root of the problem. Well how will you know if a man is gay or not? If he's flaming so much, with the lisp, and the impecable fashion sense, the good manicure, the mannerisms, it's obvious that he's trying, desperately, to show the world how gay he is. Because truly, we're all human, and no one wants to be alone. Not really. So in order to avoid the social faux pas of asking a guy out and more often than not, he's straight... well make it SO obvious how gay you are, that other gay men will not be afraid to pursue you.

The other alternative is forums for people to meet where they KNOW that the others there are gay. Places like gay bars (that are explicitly known as such, I know quite a few people who have walked into a bar thinking it was a regular bar and walking out with Quite An Experience To Relate), gay/lesbian dating websites, gay/lesbian conventions, and the like. Unfortunately, that's far from the ideal way of meeting people... if you are a lesbian, and you see a woman with a nice ass at the museum, looking at the same painting that you like, and you strike up a conversation, how will you know she's the same orientation as you? What's the polite way of bringing the subject up?

It would be nice if society as a whole could break the stigma on homosexuality and the gay stereotype, and be able to come up with a way of politely inquiring about someone's orientation, and similarly, to politely answer the question honestly without feeling like their gender is being questioned. This will take some time, and unfortunately that's just the way the ball bounces.

Ahh. I really like your way of thinking. I also think it would be nice if society as a whole would drop such stereotypes. Unfortunately, that won't happen. I believe society can grow and have less of a stereotypical view on things but I don't think it's possible for the human race not to segregate.
 

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I have nothing against gays.
In fact, I am part of a minority that finds it very hard to "detect" is a person is gay just by looking at them or listening to them.
Of course I can see the parodic "gay" characters in films and sitcoms but I think these are exagerrated so that it is clear what they represent.

And I have been in a "gay" pub, had some drinks and only later on someone told me that it was a "gay" pub.
I did not have any strange experiences.
Maybe I'm too ugly?
 

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I honestly believe all the hate against homosexual, bisexual, or any other minority group is from stereotyping. Someone believes a stereotype, and that creates the hate. For example, a stereotype of "gothic" people say they are devil worshipers. That is completely not true, as I've found, "gothic" people have the best personalities of any "group."
 

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I honestly believe all the hate against homosexual, bisexual, or any other minority group is from stereotyping. Someone believes a stereotype, and that creates the hate. For example, a stereotype of "gothic" people say they are devil worshipers. That is completely not true, as I've found, "gothic" people have the best personalities of any "group."
Then they're not 'gothic people'.
Must be 'pop goth', or 'wannabe goth'.

But, branding them as 'gothic people' only reinforces the stereotype further. For true acceptance, they're only people. No such thing as man or woman. Or black/white. Just 'people'. Can you imagine how unmanageable that'd be....?
 

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here's a topic to discuss about, what are your opinions on homosexuality, do u approve it or want it banned at any cost or what, what do u think about it, i see it's one of the most talked about topics all over.

Yes, it should be banned.
 

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Then they're not 'gothic people'.
Must be 'pop goth', or 'wannabe goth'.

But, branding them as 'gothic people' only reinforces the stereotype further. For true acceptance, they're only people. No such thing as man or woman. Or black/white. Just 'people'. Can you imagine how unmanageable that'd be....?

That's why I quoted it. They are just people. Black / White shouldn't matter either. White and black people are just people. I don't think man and woman applies, because that's two different genders.


Yes, it should be banned.

Just saying that does nothing. You should backup your points with an argument. Also, you'll probably get an infraction for a one-liner.
 

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That's why I quoted it. They are just people. Black / White shouldn't matter either. White and black people are just people. I don't think man and woman applies, because that's two different genders.
Congratulations, you're now sexist. See, there's an ism for every possible difference between two people.

No it should not... :nuts:
That's your opinion. :nuts:
 

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Congratulations, you're now sexist. See, there's an ism for every possible difference between two people.

How does that make me sexist? I never said man and woman shoudn't be equal because they completely should be equal in any and every way. That could be pay, military drafts, voting, president, leaders, etc...

According to http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Sexism: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of the opposite sex
Discriminatory: containing or implying a slight or showing prejudice
 
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ok, it was partly a joke, but... men and women shouldn't be equal in any and every way. Let's use the biggest example: Women give birth, men do not. Men and women are NOT equal and should therefore not be treated as such.

Please note, I am not saying that women should be treated like dirt. Nor am I saying they should be treated better or worse than men. Just different.
 

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ok, it was partly a joke, but... men and women shouldn't be equal in any and every way. Let's use the biggest example: Women give birth, men do not. Men and women are NOT equal and should therefore not be treated as such.

Please note, I am not saying that women should be treated like dirt. Nor am I saying they should be treated better or worse than men. Just different.

That's what I was implying to begin with, lol. I agree with you, men and woman are different. It's not good nor bad, it just is. I was saying they should be equal with opportunities. Technically, a man cannot have a baby to begin with so I don't think that applies lol.
 

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It was interesting reading the different points on here.

I'm a lesbian myself so I totally agree with homosexuality. I dont know if it comes down to genetics or environment really but there are too many people who come from different environments for it to be that really. But i know myself and none of my friends would choose to be gay because so many people are against it. I knew I was a lesbian when I was 16... it took my eight years to be able to admit it to anyone. Since then i've been the victim of homophobic behaviour and i wouldn't wish that on anyone.

An earlier question asked what happens when we get married and at the end of the day it all depends on the individuals involved. When my partner and I got married, she took my surname because that was what she wanted. When my friends got married they both took each others and had double surnames. Some people dont change theirs at all.. just like straight couples.
 

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Homosexuality, interesting topic.
To be honest, just about any sexual act could be considered gross, homosexual or heterosexual. The act its self is the thing which makes it unappealing and society bends and twists this image so that people view different forms of sexuality which stray from the norm as wrong. I consider just about any sexual act as the truly grotesque thing.

And you know what? Sometimes it's fun to be gross.
 

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Homosexuality, interesting topic.
To be honest, just about any sexual act could be considered gross, homosexual or heterosexual. The act its self is the thing which makes it unappealing and society bends and twists this image so that people view different forms of sexuality which stray from the norm as wrong. I consider just about any sexual act as the truly grotesque thing.

And you know what? Sometimes it's fun to be gross.

:lol: This post cracks me up :) :)

As fun as your argument is, I still consider Brazilian Fart Porn an aberration. :dunno:
 

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:lol: This post cracks me up :) :)

As fun as your argument is, I still consider Brazilian Fart Porn an aberration. :dunno:
Why would you say that... That's just disgusting.

Is it even porn? There's no sexual act taking place...
 
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