Trying to Get Off the Ground

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Hello Community! My name is Mikal and am trying to get a site off the ground, it's called Breakin' ChainZ. An Alternative News Site. So drop on by and maybe give me a like, a +1, or even subscribe. Thanks for taking the time out and for the help, it is very much appreciated and Peace and Blessings to all.
http://breakinchainz.x10host.com/
 
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longbich

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Maybe put the site address up here breakinc so that some of us can take a look.
 

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It's a bit of a slow loader (but then everything seems to be trending that way these days). I'd reconsider the font you're using, though, at least until Chrome on Windows knows how to render it. (That's a problem with most web fonts at non-gigantic sizes. Chrome is a huge part of the market, and when viewers see the typographical mess on your site, it's gonna be your fault no matter who's really to blame.)
 

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[and when viewers see the typographical mess on your site]
Exactly what typographical Mess are you referring to? I've examined this site in every major browser and it works fine! Either you are a HATER because you see something that is nice and HAVE to find something wrong or you're just a natural born P.O.S. that slanders because you can't compare. I've made many top-notch sites, whether they be WordPress, Joomla, Magento, PrestaShop, HTML and more. My work is on par with the top design companies period and you know that Right!
 

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No, it's the font as it renders in Google Chrome on Windows (and ONLY Google Chrome on Windows). Here's a cropped screen shot:
breaking_chainz_type.png

Note, particularly, the way the crossbars of the upper-case Fs, Es and As are rendered. As I said in my previous post, this is Google's fault, not yours, but the fact that the messed-up rendering appears on your site may be perceived as a failing on your part by visitors. I'm trying to offer some constructive advice here, but if you're the sort that absolutely needs to feel oppressed and/or "hated" under any and all circumstances, then feel free to wallow in it.
 

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Pretty good advice. What font do you recommend for most browsers ? Which font would you choose for a site like breakinc's?
 

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Unfortunately, because of Chrome/Windows' rendering, I can't really recommend any web font (@font-face) at small font sizes (16pt or less) yet. At larger sizes (say, 20pt or larger, though 150% of the browser's base size is better) there are enough pixels in the character grid that while the fonts in Chrome/Windows might not be "beautiful", they're not ragged either (unless the font is very poorly hinted, which is usually a problem with older free fonts from sites like dafont.com). So, realistically for the moment, if you can't do a server-side sniff for Chrome on Windows to serve a separate style sheet and your site needs smallish body copy, it's best to stick with that same stupidly small collection of "web safe" fonts we've had forever -- or specify a preferred "pro" font that's locally installed and fall back to a web-safe font before hitting the generic (eg. font-family: "myriad pro", helvetica, arial, sans-serif;).

You can't get a fall-back to a safe font when you use @font-face because you know the preferred font will be there. So that means that you either need to go "start-up big" or settle for the same body fonts you've been using since XP was the new kid on the block: Arial or Verdana for sans-serif, or Georgia or Times New Roman for serif, at least if you want the site to look more or less the same in every browser. If you can afford to rely on fall-backs, then you can use a more pleasing (and locally-installed) font at the front of the list.

It sucks that we have to do this, and that Google Chrome (of all things) is the "new IE" -- a browser that breaks nice things, but that has too big a chunk of the install base to ignore. And yes, Google's team knows about the problem (and Google is, oddly, one of the biggest font hosts on the entire interweb, so their left hand has an interest even if their right hand is apathetic) but there's still no fix in sight. But we live in hope.
 

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Okay essellar interesting but we are unfortunately stuck with the traditional fonts anyway for ease of uploading to all browsers. I like to publish with Papyrus & write Postcards with Comic Sans but I do not use these fonts on any sites that I produce.
 
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