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it is suspended for hacking content.. but there is no software or file i have uploaded on my account
only a static html page giving few information about reverse engineering.. not hacking both are different thing and i have already stated in staring only what is reverse engineering....

content on my site...............................//
please see second last paragraph carefully...

What is Reverse Engineering (precisely)?

Software reverse engineering is the art and process of understanding the intricacies of your own and commercial software at a lower level than the compiler, a fuller definition can be found here. Many reversers focus initially on the various protection schemes used by software writers to disable or otherwise prohibit the full use of their software since this is a convenient (if somewhat legally dubious) starting point with a definite challenge and end point. I personally however have used the knowledge I have gained through 'reversing' to :

i). Produce my own custom tools for circumventing / identifying protections.
ii). Recover usable source code to lost projects.
iii). Identify and understand how specific functionality is implemented.
iv). Debug hard to find errors.
v). Perform analysis of potentially hostile programs.

Sometimes reverse engineering can be the only way out of a development tight spot, however it is not a decision to be taken lightly.

Reverse Engineering is NOT cracking per se, although it is sometimes difficult to draw the fine line between them in the early stages. Most reversers deplore the tens of thousands of warez sites that waste good server space on the web (you probably know them already). If you are looking for easy cracks, key generators or just serial numbers lists then this site and reverse engineering will NOT be for you, even though this information can be obtained with fairly minimal effort I expect most warez aficionados will not find themselves reading this in the first place and certainly won't have a clue how to code, assemble and link a key generator, let alone spend hours upon end studying assembly routines.

By learning to reverse engineer yourself, you are gaining a set of valuable and marketable skills (malware analysis, intellectual property rights management and anti-virus / vulnerability research are booming industries), thus distinguishing yourself from the many losers who would rather waste their time searching through pages of bloated graphics and commercial porn sponsors than learning anything themselves. You'll also find (over a period of time) that your reversing efforts will become less focused on protection schemes and that your interest will move away from simple protection cracking, who knows, perhaps a job in hostile code analysis beckons.....



i will delete this static html page if its breaking TOS or favour me by deleting this page only, and restoring my hosting account.

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reply please.

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Please be patient. Free hosting support at x10Hosting is community based support provided primarily by volunteers in the free hosting support forums. At any given moment a community helper may or may not be online who is able to assist you with your particular issue but somebody who has an appropriate answer or suggestion will assist you as soon as possible.
 

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Don't bump your topic; every time you bump it, you send it to the back of the queue, delaying the time for support from the higher ups who need to review and determine if what you were discussing is a zero tolerance suspension, or if it just needs to be removed.

However, I believe I have located the applicable parts of the TOS that might be making this Zero Tolerance:

Warez: Includes pirated software, ROMS, emulators, phreaking, hacking, password cracking, IP spoofing, etc... This also includes any sites which provide "links to" or "how to" information about such material. <-- it sure looks like your methods can be used to hack/crack. Heck you admitted to it in your original post:

Software reverse engineering is the art and process of understanding the intricacies of your own and commercial software at a lower level than the compiler, a fuller definition can be found here. Many reversers focus initially on the various protection schemes used by software writers to disable or otherwise prohibit the full use of their software since this is a convenient (if somewhat legally dubious) starting point with a definite challenge and end point. I personally however have used the knowledge I have gained through 'reversing' to :

i). Produce my own custom tools for circumventing / identifying protections.

And the part about Acceptable Use Policy? It's under Offensive Content, the lines necessary are pasted below:
* is intended to assist others in defeating technical copyright protections
* is otherwise illegal or solicits conduct that is illegal under laws applicable to you or to x10Hosting;

Again, you admitted in the original post to using it to defeat technical copyright protections. Even right down to this:

You'll also find (over a period of time) that your reversing efforts will become less focused on protection schemes and that your interest will move away from simple protection cracking, who knows, perhaps a job in hostile code analysis beckons.....

Sure sounds like an encouragement to use it for bad things to me.



Of course I'm biased; I read the entire page you quoted above when it was posted on the site, and these are what I felt to be in violation of the Terms of Service and why I suspended it. This is also why we need staff to pass the full judgement on it, because this is enough in the gray zone of the TOS that it's worth a second look-see by the higher ups. Honestly it could go either way, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest for it to remain suspended either.

I'll do what I can to draw staff attention to the ticket so it gets a response, as they may miss it given that it's got replies on it now.
 

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However, I believe I have located the applicable parts of the TOS that might be making this Zero Tolerance:

Warez: Includes pirated software, ROMS, emulators, phreaking, hacking, password cracking, IP spoofing, etc... This also includes any sites which provide "links to" or "how to" information about such material. <-- it sure looks like your methods can be used to hack/crack. Heck you admitted to it in your original post

I have not admitted any thing. There is no links to sites which provide "links to" or "how to" information about such material. No method was given to hack/crack,no tutorial only an article about What is Reverse Engineering? Not How to Reverse Engineering?
I am sorry to say there is no mention of hacking on the webpage, just definitions or meanings of some words. There are no links to Warez and Warez uploads. Only links to legal sites and software. Some assembly language article links that's it if you like to read. I can only request you to delete this page and take back suspension.
 
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Went back to have a second look, ended up resuspending and higher-ups will -definitely- have to look.

You say no tutorial and that it's not about "how to," yet you've got this:
To learn reverse engineering from scratch you will probably need to spend a significant amount of time enhancing your low level knowledge, don't think you can crack any target you fancy by just learning ad nauseam simple techniques. A familiarity with the x86 architecture and instruction set is essential, an awareness of the 6 basic digital logic circuits (binary) will also be useful (AND/OR (inclusive), NOT, NAND, NOR & exclusive OR (XOR)).

I recommend the following reading resources :-

So we've got resources. It's context making them highly suspicious, cause they're all normal tools except when you throw in reverse engineering and technical copy protection references throughout the whole thing.

We've also got this:
Protections

As a reverse engineer you will encounter several protectionist strategies, a brief appraisal of the most common schemes are listed below.
followed by descriptions of 6 different types. Again, context is really confusing me here - you say it's not about hacking or cracking and yet we've got a /lot/ based around protections here, which is what the AUP part of the violation was for.

Here's the part I love though. You even dared readers to go and try cracking.
Well, if you've downloaded all of the tools and documentation I recommended and perhaps invested a few days internally digesting all that information, then you might be ready to attempt your first and second projects, see the link below, after attempting these examples you might find some more in the newbies section.

Start Menu Cleaner v1.2 (1) & Teleport Pro v1.29 (2)

Still stuck for a target or 2 to test your skills on?, well what about WinZip or mIRC ;-).

I consider this a how-to since all the required information has been neatly consolidated into one spot, shy of a "this is a step by step on breaking it."
 

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Livewire has summed it up, so I don't want to illiterate what he has said, but this type of stuff is breaking products EULA's, you should not be telling people to reverse encrypt mIRC and the other stuff Livewire has said. You could be prosecuted by someone for it, it might be highly unlikely but it is possible.

This will remain a zero tolerance as by the facts Livewire has produced in this thread.
 

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Start Menu Cleaner v1.2 (1) & Teleport Pro v1.29 (2) this is a dead link no page was uploaded... the links on the page are mostly dead...

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A familiarity with the x86 architecture and instruction set is essential, an awareness of the 6 basic digital logic circuits (binary) will also be useful (AND/OR (inclusive), NOT, NAND, NOR & exclusive OR (XOR)).

I recommend the following reading resources :-

Art of Assembly Language :- A 25 chapter PDF guide to virtually everything you might ever want to know about x86 processors. These documents are very complete yet reading them all will probably take you in excess of a few years so read just the first few chapters and keep the rest like Chapter 14 on the FPU for reference purposes as you improve / require.

HelpPC :- A 220k quick and convenient DOS instruction viewing program from 1991. If you've forgotten a particular assembler command or need to quickly look up how many clocks a particular instruction takes, then this is the guide for you (it is somewhat dated though).

Iczelion's Win32 ASM Resources :- A great site with literally tons of useful resources. Download everything there :). If you want to really 'get into' windows assembly language programming there isn't much better for free than Iczelion's tutorials.

Intel Developer Manuals :- Anything you ever wanted to know about the nitty-gritty internals of your x86. I recommend Volume 3 (System Programming). I have been told recently that the previous link does not lead to all 3 manuals, you might like to try this link instead. You could also search for 386intel.txt for a good overview. Update 2004 : I believe now the Developer manuals now stretch to 4 guides, either way you shouldn't have much problem finding them.

Mammon_'s Tales to his Grandson & Mammon_'s coming to the Iceage :- 2 definitive guides to configuring your SoftICE and synopses of the main 3 disassemblers by one of the very best reverse engineers out there (25k). Mammon_ abandoned the Windows scene a considerable amount of years ago, an eccentric and enigmatic character, his website still makes for fascinating reading.

Nolan Blender's "Making Tools Work Together" :- How you can use IDA & SoftICE to maximum effect (related to FLEXlm but applicable elsewhere).

PC Assembly Tutorial :- Dr Paul Carter's free introduction to assembly language (32-bit) using NASM (since its free), taught previously as a university course. Recommended.

Ralph Browns Interrupt List :- A maintained list of all DOS BIOS/Interrupt Services, most of the time you'll be looking for subfunctions of INT 10/13/21. Invaluable for older 16-bit programs or coding your own graphics demos / key generators (even understanding old virii). Somewhat dated now thus I've changed my recommendation from learning this to keeping it just for reference.

So we've got resources. It's context making them highly suspicious, cause they're all normal tools except when you throw in reverse engineering and technical copy protection references throughout the whole thing.

We've also got this:

Protections


As a reverse engineer you will encounter several protectionist strategies, a brief appraisal of the most common schemes are listed below.

1. Serial Number/Password protections - These type of schemes are ubiquitous, just look around the web at the serial number lists and key generators available for losers. Usually the protection of choice for cheaper software, you'll usually find only variations upon very simple schemes, maybe some interesting mathematical manipulations, however you should not dismiss programs using these schemes, some such as ACDSee or WinRAR will prove more than enough challenge to the casual reverser.

Recently several serial number schemes have been based on RSA public/private key encryption (ADC v1.2+, IDA v4.x, Hiew, The Bat! to name but a few), so beware of the target requesting just a serial number. I've heard only of several examples of RSA factoring, the maximum key length being 512-bit, I recommend Ghiri's RSA tutorial on Hiew and also the MIRACL maths libraries for factoring sometime this year. RSA of course is crackable, you could for example simply replace the key with a known quantity :), often using 1 as the decryption exponent will be satisfactory. An increasing number of serial number schemes are using good off the shelf encryption algorithms, ask around for known targets or check out how the algorithms look when compiled.

2. Time trials - With the explosion in magazine cover CD-ROM's, 30 day trials or 'cinderellas' are also common, although Microsoft prefers to allow you 60 or even 90 days to try their software. Time trials are also fairly easy because the amount of tricks a programmer can use is so limited, remember also that in most cases you will have the opportunity to study such a scheme before your time has elapsed. On smaller software be aware that the authors often change the version fairly regularly so reversing a 30-day trial may not even be necessary.

3. Function Disabled - These are becoming less common now, a program author will lock out certain operations (most commonly Save and Print) allowing you to trial his crippled software. In marketing terms disabled software is less likely to encourage potential buyers to try the software, who will spend 2hrs constructing a work of art which cannot be saved.

Disabled software can be either easily reversed or virtually unreversable depending on whether the program author just locked out the functionality or removed the code altogether, more recently I've seen instances of where reversers have actually added back in the relevant saving code as required although this will depend on how much you know about the missing functionality and whether you have the technical information / skills to add it back in. In most cases (like the Adobe trials) your going to need advanced knowledge of the file format and I have my doubts as to whether its practical to invest the time without referring to the widely available full version.

4. Commercial protection schemes - Now becoming more common as the capitalists seek to market web-ready software, you'll almost certainly run into SalesAgent from Release Software & VBox v4.x from Preview Systems, the latter is a pathetic protection which will require no more than 30 seconds SoftICE work, the former is somewhat trickier. Packers such as ASPack, Petite, Shrinker are also becoming more common, but you'll need to read more about these elsewhere (see the newly added 6. section).

5. Hardware/Dongle Protections - Termed as hardware protection, a dongle is a small device that is usually connected to the parallel port of the computer (serial & USB devices also exist). The strength of any dongle protection will be influenced a lot by the quality of the implementation, a lot of them are fairly weak. If you have the actual dongle then reversing it will obviously be a lot easier as you can just examine the relevant INs and OUTs.

As with any protection, information is power so always identify what flavour of dongle you are dealing with and visit the relevant manufacturers web sites, often you'll be able to download full API sources. In some instances, if you do not have the dongle you may have to pray, although no dongle is unreversable, some of the wrappers incorporate sophisticated and unreversable encryption, anti-SoftICE tricks and self-modifying code, so in some cases you would be well-advised to leave the dongle code as it is and patch the application side. The 2 most common dongles are HASP & Sentinel, if you are serious about the dongle game, visit my dedicated LPT parasite page.




All above links are clean and assembly language won't harm you.

@livewire please give full quotes to page not half. Half knowledge is dangerous thing. There is no word "hack" on the page. cracking just definition which will not hurt you.


If I am saying jump in the well will you jump, answer is no so why are you picking incomplete information, linking to winzip.com is that wrong, Is there any demo displaying Hacking/Cracking on the page Getstart.htm ? answer is big NO. If I am saying Osama bin laden is your target what will you do, go and kill him. I have not told any body to go and hack/crack Mr. so and so. Meaning of one thing is different from one person to another.





I have already removed all stuff against TOS, the link to Start Menu Cleaner v1.2 (1) & Teleport Pro v1.29 (2) is already removed by me a long ago.


I have removed all the uploads from the page this was the last page which I forgot to remove.



All the other pages were removed a long ago, delete this one also, please if want to really help see my blog section its for c/c++ programming and games reviews not for reverse engineering.



Due to transfer of my account I was not able to delete some pages and redirect my url to the blog.



I wanted to redirect itsprayog.co.cc to itsprayog.co.cc/blog/ and delete the extra html pages from the root directory, but the migration of my account created all this mess.

Please Delete the page Getstart.htm and resume hosting.
 
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We are unable to, as Brandon has already said.

This is part of the Zero Tolerance policy which resulted in your permanent suspension.
 

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This will remain a zero tolerance as by the facts Livewire has produced in this thread.

If facts were wrong and all the pages were already delete how it zero tolerance. There are no methods given on the page to reverse anything.
 

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If facts were wrong and all the pages were already delete how it zero tolerance. There are no methods given on the page to reverse anything.

Hello, I don't understand how the pages could be deleted, if your account is suspended.
 
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