Website suspended due to being a "phishing website"?

[elementskater86364]

Hello.

My forums were recently suspended due to being a "phishing" website.

My forums are none other than used for a private server community.

I run a game called Project Anfernio, which is ran under protocol 317 of RuneScape's cache.

RuneScape no longer applies ToS over this version of the cache.

Therefore I have no reason to be suspended.

Thousands of other servers can be found, like mine, on RuneLocus.

 

[Livewire]

Can you cite your source for the RuneScape not applying their TOS to that version of the cache? It is their property after all and pretty much no private servers are allowed for the payware games like RuneScape, so even having a site used to discuss them would be in violation of the TOS.

A simple search on google kicked this back right off a site that lists runescape private servers:

Are these servers legal?
Actually, they are not. All private servers, are illegal, and it depends on the official creator to take the actions to stop servers.

The only catch to that is we don't wait for the official creator to contact us; we suspend for them immediately since we don't -want- Jagex contacting us with a DMCA Cease/Desist.


Edit: Also, we don't care about the ones on other servers; they're not on ours, and we're not Jagex, so it's not our job to go hunt them down when they're not on our services.



Edit 2: And one final note.

You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way (except to the extent allowed by applicable law). You must not use a modified/customised version of the client software or attempt to sub-license it. You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others (including, without limitation, replacement or modified client/server software, server emulators).

Specifically, "You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others". Which includes your so called private-servers. Guess that pretty much puts this in two categories, Phishing (possibly), and Copyright Infringement. This isn't allowed on our services no matter how you slice it.

 

[elementskater86364]

Can you cite your source for the RuneScape not applying their TOS to that version of the cache? It is their property after all and pretty much no private servers are allowed for the payware games like RuneScape, so even having a site used to discuss them would be in violation of the TOS.

A simple search on google kicked this back right off a site that lists runescape private servers:



The only catch to that is we don't wait for the official creator to contact us; we suspend for them immediately since we don't -want- Jagex contacting us with a DMCA Cease/Desist.


Edit: Also, we don't care about the ones on other servers; they're not on ours, and we're not Jagex, so it's not our job to go hunt them down when they're not on our services.

So, because my forums are based on that of a private server community, you're implying I MUST be a phishing website because it's required to have a username and password to login to my server?

Not only does it hash the passwords (for idiots, that means it's in numbers, not text) but me, being the owner of the server, do not believe that this is a liable procedure put on by your services.

Not only have I put up with your bullcrap lag for the past month, but now I am unable to grab my database and transfer it over? Really?

It's not your job, yet it's your job to find MY forums and take them down? So you're contributing to the problem of taking them down for being a 'phishing website' yet you're not contributing to taking others down?

The fact you believe Jagex will contact you made me lead to a conclusion of you never playing this game in your life. Jagex has ONLY EVER filed THREE TIMES to take down THREE of these. Many of them were well played by over 2,000 players (Frugooscape being one, the other BattleScape). BattleScape still stands to day with well over 1,000 people playing at a time.

Your welcome, I hope you have time enjoying me to pay back.

As for the citing of my source, I am looking for it now..

edit:

Really now? You're trying to imply because it is indeed a decompiled version of the Jagex client (Protocol 317 as stated above.)

Now I don't know if you know this or not, but it is indeed a version of it made FIVE YEARS AGO, therefore to be an infrigment to their contract it'd have to be build 625+.

 

[Livewire]

It's not our job to find the ones -not- running on x10, it's Jagex's job.

It -is- our job to find the ones on our services.


The thing that tripped the Phishing page is definitely the MikeRSWeb stuff - there's a lot in there pretty much taken from the Runescape front page.

* Illegal Material: This includes copyrighted works, commercial audio, video, or music files, and any material in violation of any Federal, State, or Local regulation. You may not store copyrighted Mp3s or videos on your webspace in any way shape or form.
* Warez: Includes pirated software, ROMS, emulators, phreaking, hacking, password cracking, IP spoofing, etc... This also includes any sites which provide "links to" or "how to" information about such material.

Whether Jagex actually would or would not contact us doesn't stop the violation for Illegal Material because of all the Runescape stuff breaking Jagex's TOS, but the server emulator falls under Warez because of it being an emulator.



I'll still await your source on how it somehow doesn't violate their copyright however.

 

[elementskater86364]

It's not our job to find the ones -not- running on x10, it's Jagex's job.

It -is- our job to find the ones on our services.


The thing that tripped the Phishing page is definitely the MikeRSWeb stuff - there's a lot in there pretty much taken from the Runescape front page.



Whether Jagex actually would or would not contact us doesn't stop the violation for Illegal Material because of all the Runescape stuff breaking Jagex's TOS, but the server emulator falls under Warez because of it being an emulator.



I'll still await your source on how it somehow doesn't violate their copyright however.

The hell is MikesRSWeb?

The only thing I got on my x10 for was uploading my cache as an attempt for running a webclient (can be found here): www.anfernio.x10.bz/client/webclient.html

I would like to see what this MikesRSWeb thing is though.

I am still looking for the quote of them saying themselves that it doesn't apply anymore, still looking. I remember finding it.

Jagex Products may include links to internet sites or other technologies supplied by third parties including sites / technologies which enable you to pay by means of payment methods provided by third parties. We make no promises about those sites or their content, products or services as these are outside our reasonable control.





I am implying that I am a third party site because I sell positions on my game (donator ranks, etc.) for IRL money.

 

[Livewire]

You tell me what MikeRSWeb is; it's on your account:

[/home/cpanel/www/projectanfernio.x10.bz/projectanfernio.x10.bz]# ls -la
-rw-r--r-- 1 cpanel cpanel 4993236 Oct 30 22:35 MikeRSWeb_V5.2.rar.zip

[/home/cpanel/www/project]# ls -la
-rw-r--r-- 1 cpanel cpanel 5230818 Nov 5 17:25 MikeRSWeb_V5.1.1.zip
drwxr-xr-x 2 cpane lcpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:28 cgi-bin/
drwxr-xr-x 3 cpanel cpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:29 forums/

[/home/cpanel /www/project/forums]# ls -la
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 3 cpanel cpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:29 ./
drwxr-xr-x 4 cpanel cpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:34 ../
drwxr-xr-x 8 cpanel cpanel 4096 Feb 14 2010 MikeRSWeb_V5.1.1/


I've taken the liberty of censoring your cpanel username for security. That's what caused the suspension.

 

[elementskater86364]

You tell me what MikeRSWeb is; it's on your account:

[/home/cpanel/www/projectanfernio.x10.bz/projectanfernio.x10.bz]# ls -la
-rw-r--r-- 1 cpanel cpanel 4993236 Oct 30 22:35 MikeRSWeb_V5.2.rar.zip

[/home/cpanel/www/project]# ls -la
-rw-r--r-- 1 cpanel cpanel 5230818 Nov 5 17:25 MikeRSWeb_V5.1.1.zip
drwxr-xr-x 2 cpane lcpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:28 cgi-bin/
drwxr-xr-x 3 cpanel cpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:29 forums/

[/home/cpanel /www/project/forums]# ls -la
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 3 cpanel cpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:29 ./
drwxr-xr-x 4 cpanel cpanel 4096 Nov 5 17:34 ../
drwxr-xr-x 8 cpanel cpanel 4096 Feb 14 2010 MikeRSWeb_V5.1.1/


I've taken the liberty of censoring your cpanel username for security. That's what caused the suspension.

Like I have stated before, I have no idea how it's gotten on there. Do you have any access to information like IPs who uploaded it etc?

My two friends Mitchell and Seth might have uploaded it without my permission. They helped me run my forum community and in-game and had access to x10 to upload images etc.

 

[Livewire]

"Personal accounts are to be used by the primary owner only."

This is why that's in the TOS. Sadly, I don't have access to the upload logs, however you're the account holder and are the one responsible for the account itself.


Not that this matters since we're still waiting for proof your distribution of the cache is not in violation of Jagex TOS - the MikeRSWeb thing can get looked into if you are indeed correct, but if you can't provide proof that the server you were running is legal, it gets marked under a Warez suspension anyways.

 

[elementskater86364]

"Personal accounts are to be used by the primary owner only."

This is why that's in the TOS. Sadly, I don't have access to the upload logs, however you're the account holder and are the one responsible for the account itself.


Not that this matters since we're still waiting for proof your distribution of the cache is not in violation of Jagex TOS - the MikeRSWeb thing can get looked into if you are indeed correct, but if you can't provide proof that the server you were running is legal, it gets marked under a Warez suspension anyways.

Knowing that it's now a complete waste of time to even look for it being legal because I am unable to transfer my database and now it'll be under yet another suspension, I'm just going to end it here. Time to buy some HostGator and vB forums.

 

[Livewire]

The "personal account" part isn't normally suspendable; it basically is just used to keep the actual signup-person responsible for the account.

If you can provide proof that it is somehow not in violation of Jagex TOS, then we can look at why the MikeRSWeb thing is causing phishing suspensions. The problem is at the moment, because of the wording in the Jagex TOS, if we ignore the Phishing suspension, you're under Copyright Infringement and Warez, so there's not much of a reason to look at the Phishing one :/

You're more than welcome to use a different hosting provider however; as always that's up to you.