How did the world really start?

[noerrorsfound]

Heres what i was told when i asked my rabbai.

I asked How do i know god exists i have no proof?
He said have you ever been to Australia?
I said no
he said how do you know it exists
I have just heard yeah maybe ive seen pictures but they could be fake

But people have been to Australia, and people live in Australia. If I wanted to go to Australia and had the money I could, because it has been proven to exist. Nobody's ever been to heaven that has been back to tell us, thus it has not been proven and we can't go and check it out for ourselves. If there is a god it's very cruel to cause so much pain and suffering. Hurricanes, floods, cancer... People tell me that we cause the pain to ourselves, which is true for so many things, yet untrue for so many others.

To people who say something/someone (like a god) must have created everything around us, then who created that thing/being? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that, according to the bible, people who don't believe in god and/or accept Christ as their personal savior will spend an eternity in hell? What kind of god would expect people to believe in him without any evidence of his existance? And then have them suffer for the rest of eternity? We live in a world that science plays a major part in. If a god exists then it should be smart enough to give us some clue. I don't see why, if god exists, he doesn't come down here and tell us for himself.

Some people have argued with me: Well then everyone would follow the rules to go to heaven because they know they'd be punished if they didn't. Think of it like this: We have governments that make rules we must follow or we'll be punished, yet there are many, many people who disobey those rules anyway. I also ask these people why everyone must die. They say that if we didn't then we'd run out of space on Earth! Then I ask them if the universe is infinite and they say yes. So why doesn't God just make the world bigger?

Adam and Eve: As pointed out in the video, in one part of the bible it says god created Adam and Eve at the same time, yet later it says Adam was created first and then got lonely, etc. Anyway, the second version says that god took a rib from Adam to create Eve. If god created Adam without the need for a human bone, why would he need it for Eve? In answering my own question, maybe god wanted to know if Adam was willing to make a sacrifice. Why not something more important from his skeletal system?

The forbidden fruit: Okay, god put it there as a test, right? But because Adam or Eve or both of them (I'm not sure) disobeyed god's orders, we all have to suffer here on Earth, which isn't fair at all. Let's say three people each see an elderly lady drop a large sum of money on the ground. Three different people, three different elderly ladies, the same amount of money. Let's say one of the people who witnessed the cash being dropped stole it, but the other two notified the lady what she had dropped. Just because Adam & Eve disobeyed god, why should everyone else after them have to suffer? Whether or not the fruit would have been taken depends on which type of person had the opportunity to do so.

 

[Jake]

you know what, almost all the parts in the video were way controversial (however thats spelt) and they have been challenged time and time again.

as for other things, what about ghosts, anyone ever seen the photos and stuff, what about them, it kinda has to do with this (since you brought up heaven )

 

[Richard]

Heres what i was told when i asked my rabbai.

I asked How do i know god exists i have no proof?
He said have you ever been to Australia?
I said no
he said how do you know it exists
I have just heard yeah maybe ive seen pictures but they could be fake

Thats a good way of explaning but the way I would put it is this.

God is like the wind, we can see trees move, dust and clouds in the sky but we don't actualy see the wind. But everyone knows its there.

 

[noerrorsfound]

Heres what i was told when i asked my rabbai.

I asked How do i know god exists i have no proof?
He said have you ever been to Australia?
I said no
he said how do you know it exists
I have just heard yeah maybe ive seen pictures but they could be fake

Thats a good way of explaning but the way I would put it is this.

God is like the wind, we can see trees move, dust and clouds in the sky but we don't actualy see the wind. But everyone knows its there.

But wind is something we can physically feel when it hits us. We can breathe the oxygen around us (which we can feel when it enters our nose and our mouth). Science has proved that wind exists. Plus, the fact that it makes trees sway, dust fly around, and leaves raked up in a pile get scattered around your yard. These things can't move themselves (trees grow but that's not what I mean, and leaves do fall from trees but that's gravity) so it's just another thing supporting wind.

As for ghosts, Bull****! did an episode on that subject too. But I don't have much to say. Unless some kind of god exists there's no way ghosts could be real.

 

[Abusi]

You guys ever heard of the big bang theory oO

 

[Jake]

we were just talking about it, and we were saying that how would something so complicated as the human brain come out from an explosion, and who made the stars and stuff that exploded?

 

[noerrorsfound]

we were just talking about it, and we were saying that how would something so complicated as the human brain come out from an explosion, and who made the stars and stuff that exploded?

People who believe in some sort of higher power such as god could easily come up with an answer to that question, which would most likely be god. But those people are never able to explain to me who created god, for some reason. The only answer I've ever gotten is "god was always there." When I tried to get these people to explain that theory further, all that was said to me was "he was just there."

Of course, I don't expect these kids to be able to explain that, because nobody's ever been able to. It's just that I've noticed how some Christians try to shove their religion down other people's throats. When I ask for proof they say the bible. When I say there's no proof that the bible is fact, the last answer I can get out of them is "faith." They said faith is believing in god. That's not proof then, either. Things aren't real just because you believe they are. Santa Claus isn't real, but many young children believe he is. But when you get older, you stop believing in fairy tales.

So to "answer" your question, the stars were always there.

 

[Richard]

As a Christian I'm sad to say that there are many "bad" Christians out there and then you got the "turn or burn" group and while some mean well it just doesn't work.

I won't say Christianity is perfect because we are human and no one is perfect other then God.

We are given a choice, we can choose to believe or not to believe or even believe in something else entirely. We should respect each others' choices but don't expect us Christians to give up. What we choose will ultimately effect us in the end no matter what we believe.

 

[echo_unlimited]

People who believe in some sort of higher power such as god could easily come up with an answer to that question, which would most likely be god. But those people are never able to explain to me who created god, for some reason. The only answer I've ever gotten is "god was always there." When I tried to get these people to explain that theory further, all that was said to me was "he was just there."

Of course, I don't expect these kids to be able to explain that, because nobody's ever been able to. It's just that I've noticed how some Christians try to shove their religion down other people's throats. When I ask for proof they say the bible. When I say there's no proof that the bible is fact, the last answer I can get out of them is "faith." They said faith is believing in god. That's not proof then, either. Things aren't real just because you believe they are. Santa Claus isn't real, but many young children believe he is. But when you get older, you stop believing in fairy tales.

So to "answer" your question, the stars were always there.

You rock. Your words are very inspiring. Do you mind if I use your words on another forum, but with your name at the end of it? thug:

 

[noerrorsfound]

You rock. Your words are very inspiring. Do you mind if I use your words on another forum, but with your name at the end of it? thug:

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, feel free. :tongue:

 

[Spartan Erik]

well FYI for those of you who dont believe in science:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060316181253.htm
^--they've discovered what occurred on the trillionth second (if you ask how they did it, its all about light years. light takes a long time to travel through space since its so large, so if you saw the light from a planet in space, that light might be several years old by the time it gets within viewing range; its why it'd take several days for the suns rays to disappear if the sun died out)

science has gotten closer than any religion has to finding out why we're here
religion is all based on assumptions,word of mouth, and the written word of people thousands of years ago
(too lazy to explain, but what it amounts to is that you cant interpret it literally)

whereas science has tangible and solid evidence

these few issues are common knowledge: after the big bang superheated atoms formed your basic elements, creating planets etc, the combination of static electricity and primordial "goo" created livinig organisms, humans evolved from the primitive neanderthals (proven by our change in posture, shrinking of organs no longer used, mental capacity, jaw positioning, etc)

if you dont believe any of the above, id honestly have to deem you a moron :biggrin:

 

[echo_unlimited]

well FYI for those of you who dont believe in science:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060316181253.htm
^--they've discovered what occurred on the trillionth second (if you ask how they did it, its all about light years. light takes a long time to travel through space since its so large, so if you saw the light from a planet in space, that light might be several years old by the time it gets within viewing range; its why it'd take several days for the suns rays to disappear if the sun died out)

science has gotten closer than any religion has to finding out why we're here
religion is all based on assumptions,word of mouth, and the written word of people thousands of years ago
(too lazy to explain, but what it amounts to is that you cant interpret it literally)

whereas science has tangible and solid evidence

these few issues are common knowledge: after the big bang superheated atoms formed your basic elements, creating planets etc, the combination of static electricity and primordial "goo" created livinig organisms, humans evolved from the primitive neanderthals (proven by our change in posture, shrinking of organs no longer used, mental capacity, jaw positioning, etc)

if you dont believe any of the above, id honestly have to deem you a moron :biggrin:

Correct Science is advancing whereas religion cannot.

 

[echo_unlimited]

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, feel free. :tongue:

No Sarcasm. You argue a very good point. :hsugh:

 

[Brandon]

I strongly beleve in the Big Bang because God had to come from somewhere.

 

[SEÑOR]

I strongly beleve in the Big Bang because God had to come from somewhere.

A big band started form um... ah i Cant say it. Its like theresnothing then a bang.. But if theres nothing it means that there was like somehting because when w epicture nothing wee see like a place with like its all white. But thats something its a place thats white. But then ahh its to hard to think it gives me a headache.

 

[Spartan Erik]

A big band started form um... ah i Cant say it. Its like theresnothing then a bang.. But if theres nothing it means that there was like somehting because when w epicture nothing wee see like a place with like its all white. But thats something its a place thats white. But then ahh its to hard to think it gives me a headache.

haha well neither religion or science have confirmed that everything started from nothing

from the current data, the universe was the size of a marble until it began expanding at an extremely fast rate, of which it is still expanding presently (see last post for link to article detailing info)

 

[Nathan]

Everyone screaming, "Big Bang!" may I be the first to tell you to shut the Hell up unless you know what you're talking about.

The Big Bang describes the beginning of the universe, not the beginning of earth and intelligent life.

Before anyone attacks me for Big Bang let me also tell you that a Catholic priest proposed the idea of the Big Bang.


As for the earth? I don't really care. It is quite possible that we create a beginning and end since we are both born and we die. Perhaps it's a falsified way to create research into something that never was. Meaning there was no beginning of earth, time and intelligent life. It was always there. Which also means there will be no end.

Just some random theory that I like to use to confuse people. I have no actual stance.

 

[Spartan Erik]

there will be no end.

lol unless of course the sun burns out, turns into a nice black hole and sucks in the earth (but we'd all freeze to death before that; onyl way to survive is to migrate to another planet)

BUT that wont happen for a few more million/billion years so unless im cloned i wont worry about it :hsughwigg

p.s., i do know what im talking about

 

[SEÑOR]

Why so long? Howdyou know we wont discover sooner? Mayb from Alien technology?

 

[Jake]

we can almost live in space now, so really, i doubt more than 100 years before we have a fully functional and operational space station of over 10,000 people.