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dsfreak

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Despite the fact that there is no PROVEN scientific creation of the universe, I still do not believe in god. If there was, then there would be so many things that wouldn't be possible. Dang, just had a list of stuff I was gonna say. But, oh well. I do not believe in god. I don't get rid of friends that have diff beliefs, I just stay friends with them.
 

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Perhaps this discussion has already died, but as a new user here, I'd just like to add a philosophical point:
everything is relative
If you keep that in mind, everything becomes questionable. What may exist as God for the human race, may simply be a normal being in a world of a larger scale. What appears to be "scientifically proven" today, may be disproved tomorrow. The apparent laws of physics may hold true in this corner of the universe, but there may exist sections of time or space where there are fundamental differences.
There's too much that we cannot possibly fathom. Too many possiblities.
I can't cancel out any, and therefore I'd call myself an agnostic.
But I think I prefer "open-minded".
 

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Spiro, you have a very good point. I keep faith because I believe that there are many oddities (such as the big bang starting) earlier that cannot be explained through modern science.
 

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I know that it's important to have faith in something to explain the unknown, but the question that always gets me is, "what do you base that faith on?". It's true that modern science can't explain everything. Then again, neither can any religious text. If one says that they base their faith upon the Bible, Talmud, or the Koran (spelling??), they invite criticism of that text, which can get pretty heated.
But of course, faith isn't necessarily going to be rational. You believe according to your own reasoning, whether that comes from your mind, heart, gut, 5 senses, 6th sense, whatever.
I have no answer, just lots of doubts and questions.
 

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I believe in god. Just forget about religions ad take a look at that:

Can you believe people could know the relations between animals, or how does two seas do not mix when contacted in the year 600? Koran has been sent about 600, and now the explanations in it are confirming by science one by one. There are lots of clues like these
 

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Burak said:
I believe in god. Just forget about religions ad take a look at that:

Can you believe people could know the relations between animals, or how does two seas do not mix when contacted in the year 600? Koran has been sent about 600, and now the explanations in it are confirming by science one by one. There are lots of clues like these

I'm sure I'm not the only one to say, 'Uh, what?'

Could you please explain more clearly?
 

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Alright, i'm not a perfect english talker, sorry about that.

Now, think of a place, which two seas gets contacted. (e.g. a kind of channel) In situations like this, waters of these seas do NOT mix up, always shey stay seperate. Muslims knew this since early stages of 600's(A.C.), because this was explained in Koran as a evidence of GOD's existence. Now we knowthat waters don't mix up for sure, because with today's science, learning this is childs play. But how people could know this in 600A.C.?
 

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im an atheist, and im a man of science
this does not mean that all scientists are atheists

but i believe that a 'god' or whatever you want to call it, doesnt exist
i believe holy texts were written to police societies, to keep them in order. what else to better threaten them with than the afterlife? it was an incentive to prevent people from cheating stealing lying, etc. BUT, the bible was written by PEOPLE, not a 'god'. it was used to explain things that, at the time, couldnt be explained due to lack of scientific knowledge. the bible claims that the earth has four corners. and for those who believe holy texts literally, i pity you.

im extremely supportive of evolution and i am against creationism being taught in schools. i dont see harm in creationism being indirectly referenced/mentioned, but as long as it isnt taught. all science classes should be based upon the theory (should be a fact/law) of evolution. anything that is living is a proof that evolution exists.

depending on what circumstances, i am for abortion for the most part. if its growing up in poverty, or was a result of rape, then i could understand aborting it.

i am for stem cells since they can result in cures for diseases that can alleviate the lives of millions, possibly billions, of people! they're already using stem cells to regenerate arteries and capillaries coming to and from the heart. they've also done it to people who have lost circulation in legs too!

and last of all, cloning. im a major supporter of cloning. think of how far we can advance in science! think of it logically; a doctor has to spend half his/her life in school learning, experimenting, etc. by the time he/she is out and about to discover something new, he/she is an old man! if we can clone the bodies of these doctors, and surgically remove and implant their brain into a younger body, they will be able to determine many cures and find new discoveries! possibly even the key to stop aging!
 

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sentient1080 said:
im extremely supportive of evolution and i am against creationism being taught in schools. i dont see harm in creationism being indirectly referenced/mentioned, but as long as it isnt taught. all science classes should be based upon the theory (should be a fact/law) of evolution. anything that is living is a proof that evolution exists.

depending on what circumstances, i am for abortion for the most part. if its growing up in poverty, or was a result of rape, then i could understand aborting it.
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Yes there is evidence that supports the theory of evolution, however as far as I know there is nothing the proves the thoery. Also anything living is not proof of evolution, the changes and similarity between generation is a piece of evidence.

Also I aggree with you that abortion is alright if it is for rape and is in the early stages of the pregnacy.
 

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Mikek said:
Yes there is evidence that supports the theory of evolution, however as far as I know there is nothing the proves the thoery. Also anything living is not proof of evolution, the changes and similarity between generation is a piece of evidence.

there is living proof of evolution
the definition of evolution is change
we've all changed havent we? our appendixes are shrinking, wisdom teeth are beginning to slow down their growth, our bodies are positioned more upright, and we're growing taller

if you ask me, thats evolution

animals adapting to the environment, thats another example of evolution

evolution occurs in nature all the time! its just that some change takes longer than others
 

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well as for what is known in the koran.

the arabs once led the european and middle eastern world in science. so its no surprise this stuff would be recorded.

as for oceans not mixing. well ive never really studied that but seems to me a matter of currents. as for how people could know it in the 600's. observation would be my guess.

doesnt prove god exists.
 

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I long for the Day that humanity wakes up and declairs religion as an epidemic of mental illness.
 

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Matthews255 said:
I long for the Day that humanity wakes up and declairs religion as an epidemic of mental illness.

I agree with your statement. Religion has now proven useless; its original purpose was to police early civilizations. We are now civilized, and all that religion is doing is stopping our scientific progress.

By the way, its 'declares'.
 
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