Creationism vs Evolution

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I don't think it matters. I don't believe in Creationism, but I'm not religious. I don't really believe in evolution either, though. I think that there are more important and immediate questions that need to be answered. Neither side is ever likely to be proven. Plus, it may have been a combination of the two. God may have created apes, and humans then evolved from there. Who knows? With the lack of evidence on either side, it's really impossible to make an educated stand.

 

[eminemix]

I think some supreme force created something, then that something evoluated.

 

[taekwondokid42]

Agreed. I believe that each individual species got created, but then we evolved from there.

Take humans for example.

Step 1: God creates humans. All humans are equal, there are few differences between one person and the next.

Step 2: Time elapses. As time goes on we see differences to appear. Other "races" begin to appear. Skin color changes, and so does hight, intelligence, strength, speed, ect.

Step 3: We get where we are today. There are so many differences that people begin to argue over which is superior.

 

[theparadesquare]

Evolution for me because i cannot grasp a concept that says we were just put here by someone else, its happened through evolution. As a result i am not religious

 

[taekwondokid42]

But can you tell me that everything here just happened? Go outside and look at the stars. If your in some area that is far away from any city you will see thousands. How would they have been made if something or someone didn't create them?

 

[unpixelatedgamers]

But can you tell me that everything here just happened? Go outside and look at the stars. If your in some area that is far away from any city you will see thousands. How would they have been made if something or someone didn't create them?

And therein lies the limits of Human intelligence.

Quite simply, we are simple beings when it comes down to it. We like a clean cut case of cause and effect:

God created all creatures: thats why we exist.

However, when we start to question this theory: well who created God? If you take God (or the gods, as most religions in history hold to be true) to be an unmeasureable, eternal force, why can you alternatively not accept that the "big bang" just happened, because it did?

I mean, science doesn't have all the answers, but its looking for them. In a logical, thorough, and iterative process.

On the flipside, just because some book (or books, depending on where you're looking) says something is true, it doesn't mean it is. I could say right now: You are all figments of my imagination. And I could believe that absolutely. But for you, the opposite could be true. The point here is that it is based on FAITH.

Faith, and belive systems wax and wane over the years. Ancient Roman and Greek gods are practically ignored these days in favour of monotheistic faiths. Whereas, 2000 or more years ago, entire empires of people believed absolutely in it.

Science, to a degree, is not subject to these changing tides of popularity. Ideas are theorised, tested, proved or disproved, and better ones are thought of over time.

Why does stuff fall to the ground? Because of gravity. What is gravity? And acceleration acting on a mass to produce a force. What creates gravity? A mass. Why does matter exert gravity on each other? I'm not sure, but I think someone has found a reason for it.

Ask a religious person for this reason, the simple, cause/effect answer is always: "because my god(s) made it that way."

Science evolves as new descoveries are made to better and better theories. Yes, you could argue that it sometimes went in the wrong direction, but in general it is always true.

Religion, not so much. "Oh, we better sacrifice to this god to please it" "nah, thats boring, it wastes resources" "we must praise this god everyday to please it." "Yeah, okay, but only once a week. I don't have enough time for every day."
"There must be a different god that controls each aspect of the world" "No way, thats too complicated, lets make it one all-powerful god."

From this (admittedly overly-simplified) view of religion, it would seem that religion does not evolve, but in fact, devolves into ever more simplistic terms. Terms of religion that satisfy the new world view of the religious populace at the time, and fit ever more easily around their increasingly easy lifestyle.

In the end, the image of gods, (and hence, the fact that they created everything) is a human construct. And therefore subject to human flaws. It was a originally created to serve as a comfort in a (then) massive and confusing world. The idea that there was an all powerful being that just created everything, controlled everything was comforting. If something went wrong, it was out of your hands. If something went right; PRAISE THE GODS!

It was at a time when the logical understanding and exploration of natural processes was impossible due to a harsh lifestyle and simply a lack of technology to explore it. The idea that everything was just created is an easy get out of a tough logic question.

So, in case you haven't realised, creationism is a lie. And worse, a lie in a time that we now know better.

Science holds all the answers, we just haven't found them yet.

 

[toasterthegamer]

Just look at the human eye and how complex it is tell me that evolved over time theres no way!! Plus the conditions that were need to produce life on this planet didnt exist! Here's a complete article of 10 reasons that it's not possible!!

http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html

Also just look at the evolutionary theories!! There full of holes and those holes are based on faith so evolution is just another RELIGION!! YES IT'S BASED OFF FAITH!! From the big bang to the monkeys turning into humans! There's no hard proof and almost all of the evidence for a monkey evolving into a human is false or proven to be a hoax!! Most of the time archaeologist will find the bones of a monkey and a human next to each other and put them together !!!

Scientists a century ago believed the smallest single living cell was a simple life form. The theory developed that perhaps lightning struck a pond of water causing several molecules to combine in a random way which by chance resulted in a living cell. The cell then divided and evolved into higher life forms. This view is now proven to be immature to the degree of being ridiculous. The most modern laboratory is unable to create a living cell. In fact, scientists have been unable to create a single left-hand protein molecule as found in all animals. The theory of evolution claims that organic life was created from inorganic matter. That is impossible. The top scientists in the world with unlimited laboratory resources cannot change inorganic matter into a single organic living cell.

The CELL!!
The smallest living cell has the complexity of a Boeing 747 jumbo jet airplane. The components of the cell have the obvious arrangement of intelligent design just as the Boeing 747 did not appear from random parts stacked near each other in a junk yard. "The minimal cell contains more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations."

The smallest single cell creature has millions of atoms forming millions of molecules that must each be arranged in an exact pattern to provide the required functions. The cell has an energy producing system, protective housing and security system to let molecules into and out of the housing, a reproductive system and a central control system. This complexity required an intelligent design. It is much too complex to happen by chance.

Then theres DNA complex building blocks of life!! The scientific fact that DNA replication includes a built-in error checking method and a DNA repair process proves the evolutionary theory is wrong. The fact is that any attempt by the DNA to change is stopped and reversed. It's STOPED and REVERSED PEOPLE!!!

Now on to chromosomes!!
There is no scientific evidence that a species can change the number of chromosomes within the DNA. The chromosome count within each species is fixed. This is the reason a male from one species cannot mate successfully with a female of another species. Man could not evolve from a monkey. Each species is locked into its chromosome count that cannot change. If an animal developed an extra chromosome or lost a chromosome because of some deformity, it could not successfully mate. The defect could not be passed along to the next generation. Evolving a new species is scientifically impossible!!!!

Darwinism is the official state religion in all English-speaking countries!!!!

Evolution is a Religion - the Worship of Time!!!!

So to this day we have to theory's the theory of creation and the theory of evolution! Both take faith both are religions!!

Anyways I thought I would just rant for a bit.. :biggrin:

-Toasterthegamer

 

[Cubeform]

Toasterthegamer, prepare to be toasted.

Just look at the human eye and how complex it is tell me that evolved over time theres no way!!

You assume that "part of an eye" won't work. But it does, and it shows in nature. From the simple sensors used by worms to the "pinhole camera" eye of the Nautilus, to our eyes and the even more advanced eyes used by predatory creatures used by the raptor. All the signs of evolution are there.

Also just look at the evolutionary theories!! There full of holes and those holes are based on faith so evolution is just another RELIGION!! YES IT'S BASED OFF FAITH!!

I don't think I have the same dictionary as you. I define faith as "belief without evidence", and there's plenty of evidence about natural selection.

there's no hard proof

There's no hard proof gravity exists either. But scientists accept it as fact because there's plenty of evidence. Same with evolution by natural selection.

The CELL!!
The smallest living cell has the complexity of a Boeing 747 jumbo jet airplane. The components of the cell have the obvious arrangement of intelligent design just as the Boeing 747 did not appear from random parts stacked near each other in a junk yard. "The minimal cell contains more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations."

Consider this: A designer is always more complex than what they design. A leaf does not make a tree; a tree makes a leaf. Even a computer is not capable of the advanced thought processes of humans. So wouldn't that mean that if the most complex and improbable thing in the world were designed (let's say life itself), wouldn't that mean the designer would have to be even more improbable?

This complexity required an intelligent design. It is much too complex to happen by chance.

Natural selection is not chance. It is the complete opposite of chance. Natural selection is taking a bunch of mutations and capitalizing on the one most advantageous to survival, improving on the mutation.

Man could not evolve from a monkey.

They didn't; they share a COMMON ANCESTOR with monkeys. Geographical differences made sure each species evolved differently. By the way, to put it bluntly, humans never had sex--er-MATED with monkeys; they mated with each other and natural selection took over.

Anyways I thought I would just rant for a bit..

Me too.

 

[bonbon]

Voters who choose Evolution are not talented

Cause they extend or continue to built or renovate the old ones but not imagining or creating a new style ones.....

 

[Swiblet]

I can't vote for this I believe a mix of both. I believe that something DID create us. I am certain of that. I used to completely believe in evolutionism, but when I learned how to astrally project and got into spiritual stuff, it changed everything. I have seen things.... Anyway, these crazy things led me to believe that we do have spirits, and these spirits are what set us apart from the non-sentient. Spirits are the continuous current of electricity animating your brain, thoughts, and body, though, hence the use of things such as psychic powers. God is supposedly a spirit, in a sense. Howeverrrr...it is possible that "God" is an alien who simply reanimated dead matter and gave it the ability to reproduce, like Frankenstein. But think of this:

Evolution adapts things to the environment. Easy, right? Lets say 10 people go to Mars and die of suffocation, but they have 10 babies first. What are the chances that the babies will come out not having to breathe Oxygen? This is what animals did....what WE did....when we evolved out of the ocean. And yes, we came from water. So evolution is proven, but technically, the first organisms that came out of the water should have died. Therfore, I believe that evolution plays a huge part and some supreme force gently guides it in the right path to survival. Like God is a webmaster and created an automatic script. It runs and does things like it should, but he performs maintenance on it to help it suit the needs of the times better.

That...was the dumbest example in the world. But that is what I believe. Both together=my truth ^^

~~Ben

 

[toasterthegamer]

Toasterthegamer, prepare to be toasted.



You assume that "part of an eye" won't work. But it does, and it shows in nature. From the simple sensors used by worms to the "pinhole camera" eye of the Nautilus, to our eyes and the even more advanced eyes used by predatory creatures used by the raptor. All the signs of evolution are there.



I don't think I have the same dictionary as you. I define faith as "belief without evidence", and there's plenty of evidence about natural selection.



There's no hard proof gravity exists either. But scientists accept it as fact because there's plenty of evidence. Same with evolution by natural selection.



Consider this: A designer is always more complex than what they design. A leaf does not make a tree; a tree makes a leaf. Even a computer is not capable of the advanced thought processes of humans. So wouldn't that mean that if the most complex and improbable thing in the world were designed (let's say life itself), wouldn't that mean the designer would have to be even more improbable?



Natural selection is not chance. It is the complete opposite of chance. Natural selection is taking a bunch of mutations and capitalizing on the one most advantageous to survival, improving on the mutation.



They didn't; they share a COMMON ANCESTOR with monkeys. Geographical differences made sure each species evolved differently. By the way, to put it bluntly, humans never had sex--er-MATED with monkeys; they mated with each other and natural selection took over.



Me too.

Lets think about the eye for a second here HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT A RAPTOR'S EYE looks like??? HMM I would really like to know that on cause for all we know the could of been nearly BLIND!! Unless your talking about the bird. As for a worms eye even that is too complex for evolution to have developed.

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Now the fact that "Scientists have never observed the evolution of one species into another species. Every species on earth produces only copies of itself, never a new species." in all of the thousands of years we've been living here we haven't [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]observed the evolution!! You would think that maybe we would see something even if it was small!!

As for the designer thing you were talking about exactly God is unthinkable he's the Alpha and the omega the beginning and the END he's so complex that we cant fathom how great he really is!

Mutation is 90% harmful or does nothing at all there is no good mutation!!! Take for example when you get hit by the sun and it burns you skin whether you like it or not your skin is mutating from the radiation and this can lead to cancer and other nasty things... You would think since humans have been on earth this long that the skin would of gotten tougher hard but it hasn't!! And as for taking the best one dont you think thats chance you have to have that one mutation or your not going anywhere it's still based of chance!!

As for us being relatives with monkeys if you want to believe there your long lost relatives be my guest!! I think its an insult to the human race!! How would you like it if people started calling you an ape all the time? But if you look at what I said about chromosomes and if you had any understanding about them you would understand that it isn't possible we have a set number of them thats completely different then from monkeys or apes if you want to get real specific. There's no evidence that we did come from apes or there relatives!!! Scientist have yet to find that missing link!! Any that they have thought to have found either turned out later to be fake or to be mixes if human bones with ape bones!!

IF you still think that evolution is right look at this huge article on why evolution is wrong with sources too!
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/04/heres_the_real.html

-Toasterthegamer burn in my fury!!
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[taekwondokid42]

Lets think about the eye for a second here HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT A RAPTOR'S EYE looks like??? HMM I would really like to know that on cause for all we know the could of been nearly BLIND!! Unless your talking about the bird. As for a worms eye even that is too complex for evolution to have developed.

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Now the fact that "Scientists have never observed the evolution of one species into another species. Every species on earth produces only copies of itself, never a new species." in all of the thousands of years we've been living here we haven't [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]observed the evolution!! You would think that maybe we would see something even if it was small!!

As for the designer thing you were talking about exactly God is unthinkable he's the Alpha and the omega the beginning and the END he's so complex that we cant fathom how great he really is!

Mutation is 90% harmful or does nothing at all there is no good mutation!!! Take for example when you get hit by the sun and it burns you skin whether you like it or not your skin is mutating from the radiation and this can lead to cancer and other nasty things... You would think since humans have been on earth this long that the skin would of gotten tougher hard but it hasn't!! And as for taking the best one dont you think thats chance you have to have that one mutation or your not going anywhere it's still based of chance!!

As for us being relatives with monkeys if you want to believe there your long lost relatives be my guest!! I think its an insult to the human race!! How would you like it if people started calling you an ape all the time? But if you look at what I said about chromosomes and if you had any understanding about them you would understand that it isn't possible we have a set number of them thats completely different then from monkeys or apes if you want to get real specific. There's no evidence that we did come from apes or there relatives!!! Scientist have yet to find that missing link!! Any that they have thought to have found either turned out later to be fake or to be mixes if human bones with ape bones!!

IF you still think that evolution is right look at this huge article on why evolution is wrong with sources too!
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/04/heres_the_real.html

-Toasterthegamer burn in my fury!!
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I would actually have to say that sometimes mutations are good, and we have seen some throughout our lifetimes.

But we have not seen any "jumps" from species to species. And we never find any "inbetweens". We can think of ways that they might have jumped from fish to turtle, but we have never seen a half-fish, half-turtle.

 

[Swiblet]

I don't think that sunburn is what he was talking about when he said "mutation", dude xD

~~Ben

 

[Chris73]

What happened first the chicken or the egg? I don't know how it happened it happened we are here and i think the day we actually do find out will be the day earth comes to an end.

Thats my 2.999999999998 cents worth of opinion

 

[toasterthegamer]

I don't think that sunburn is what he was talking about when he said "mutation", dude xD

~~Ben

Yeah I know I was just giving an example... :happysad:

-Toasterthegamer

 

[theparadesquare]

What happened first the chicken or the egg? I don't know how it happened it happened we are here and i think the day we actually do find out will be the day earth comes to an end.

Thats my 2.999999999998 cents worth of opinion

and i heartily agree with you.
Why worry about what happened before, we don't know for sure lets wonder about the end :drool:

 

[Swiblet]

=0 we aren't worrying. This is an argument created for fun purposes only =P

~~Ben

 

[unpixelatedgamers]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Now the fact that "Scientists have never observed the evolution of one species into another species. Every species on earth produces only copies of itself, never a new species." in all of the thousands of years we've been living here we haven't [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]observed the evolution!! You would think that maybe we would see something even if it was small!!

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Mostly because we ourselves are blind, arrogant creatures. For much of our existence only caring about surviving to the next day. Of course we haven't seen to observe this stuff, because we don't have the proper documentation.

The Homo Sapien is only a relatively new evolution. I remember reading somewhere that if the history of the world was represented in a metre, humans as we know them would only factor in a very small part of the last millimetre.

Besides, just because you haven't observed something happen yourself, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Adam and Eve didn't write down in their memoires about how the world was created did they? Because they weren't created then! How would they know? And if they never knew, how would anyone after them?

Answer: investigation. Thats what science did. And our current best understanding is that all species evolved.

Ultimately as well, we HAVE observed mutation (evolution). Even within the last few hundred yes. Just as any racing horse breeder. Sure, those conditions (the fastest runner gets to produce more offspring) are artificially imposed by humans, but the principal is the same.

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As for the designer thing you were talking about exactly God is unthinkable he's the Alpha and the omega the beginning and the END he's so complex that we cant fathom how great he really is!

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So why bother worrying about them? As such an all powerful being, "He" will undoubtly already know whether you are sinful or rightous. Why preach about something we can't ever POSSIBLY hope to understand? And simply teach the (hopefully) good morals that come with it.

Science, on the otherhand, we (as an group) can always get a better understanding of.

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...lead to cancer and other nasty things...

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Which, by the creationists definition, were all created by this "god." Surely if this being was so ultimate, he would have created a perfect harmonious world in the first place?

Instead however, by simple logic, if there is a "god", it is both infinite evil and infinite good. Yet most religions (now) ignore this, in favour of a nice and friendly god that is more PR friendly.

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As for us being relatives with monkeys if you want to believe there your long lost relatives be my guest!!

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[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Well, not just monkeys, but all species on the planet. If I remember correctly, we share 97% of our DNA with a flowering plant. But don't quote on that![/FONT]

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I think its an insult to the human race!

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Ah, Arrogant human talk again. Just because we happen to be the most intelligent and creative species on this (admittely small) planet, we seem to like placing ourselves on a special pedestal above all the rest.

Why should this god allow you into heaven (with all the undoubtable sins you have committed) in favour of the little fly? Who has done harm to no-one, and simply goes about its life clearing up the crap from the other animals. Because you're smarter? I dunno, there are some pretty stupid people around. Perhaps we should cut them out of heaven too?

The entire idea of creationism is ridiculous.

 

[Spartan Erik]

Nice comeback unpixelated! Saved me the effort, and prevented me from raising my blood pressure 50 points

 

[porky101]

Evolution

How could Mosses part a sea???? How was noah like 800 yrs. old. DOnt mean to hurt anyone by this but, i think that America is full of religious freaks i mean there is no separation between church and state in America. Also in my school someone put Jesus on a mural about myths and legends so there was a big debate but it was okay to put Zeus on it but once you include Jesus everyone goes crazy. Basically I hate religion and how some people just are freaks about it.