Would you give up cPanel for better uptime?

[Russ]

I think Vista Panel is a good answer for the free hosting package.
I worked with Vista Panel serveral months, it's done things very well.

VistaPanel is cPanel. VistaPanel is just a theme for it.

 

[zubair12]

is there any function change in it??

 

[lala123]

VistaPanel is cPanel. VistaPanel is just a theme for it.

Oops! So, that's it :happysad: . I just thought that would be a good replacing. :happysad:

So, what would be the best CP for this case?

 

[Lochie]

I use PHP and FTP to update my site, and the only thing I use cPanel for is to access phpMyAdmin, which you can install anyways. Out with cPanel!

 

[PC Hamster]

Well, I wouldnt mind not having cPanel. I hardly use it anyways. The only thing i'm worried about is the installations I have made through fantastico, will this affect them?

I personally would not mind not having cPanel either. Though this is a new account for me, I have a few others on X10 & ditching cPanel I think would eliminate the need for an additional username to remember (Like we really need another username besides the sub-domain just to access the File Manager? I don't think so. No one else does it like that).

Another thing I wouldn't mind seeing getting the proverbial axe is FTP. I mean when is the last time THAT had any sign of stability? It had to be before I moved here with my first account.

Let me list the sites I have here....

Against The Storm (My first account here)

As My World Turns (The site for this account)

As My Weight Loss World Turns (My Weight Loss site that's also the spinoff of the one under this account)

The Left Wing Conservative (My Political site - Currently under suspension though as I build the others).

Of course, I'll put all of these in a sig, but that just goes to show how much effort I'm putting into moving & creating sites here.

Therefore, I feel that ditching cPanel AND FTP would improve uptime. I mean look at what happened when Geocities stopped supporting FTP. Uptime SKYROCKETED. Now that Geocities is closing down completely, the Internet is going to need places like X10 MORE THAN EVER since Geocities (Until it officially closes) has (Albeit perhaps arguably) the largest amount of freebie websites out there.

True, one can buy their own domain for less than the cost of a Quarter Pounder from McDonalds these days & have it pointed at their X10 hosted site (People do this all the time all over the Internet). But can one really say the same thing when it comes to actual web hosting? I don't think so.

Well....That's it for my editorial *LOL!*

Hopefully I've given you guys a few things to think about Corey & Co.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Pat

P.S. The forum activity timer is set WAY too short. It needs to be adjusted so that people can post long messages like this one without having to log in again. Just a little feedback.
Edit:

I think the problem is the number of accounts, but maybe this will help. I think what really makes X10 great is the number of features and if we eliminate that I think it'd probably hurt us too.

Garrett....If I really wanted to, I could consolidate my personal website & weight loss website (Since one is merely a spinoff of the other anyway) & the problem of instability would still be there.

As such, I don't think the number of accounts alone matters a whole lot. What REALLY matters IMO is how many accounts are being accessed at any given time.

But again.....That's just my opinion....

Cheers

Pat

 

[leafypiggy]

FTP has nothing to do with the uptime of apache. Also, how do you expect to upload files to the server without FTP? Even file managers use FTP to upload files...

 

[garrettroyce]

Garrett....If I really wanted to, I could consolidate my personal website & weight loss website (Since one is merely a spinoff of the other anyway) & the problem of instability would still be there.

As such, I don't think the number of accounts alone matters a whole lot. What REALLY matters IMO is how many accounts are being accessed at any given time.

But again.....That's just my opinion....

Cheers

Pat

It seems that it is a combination of both the number of sites and the number of people accessing the sites. If there were less sites, CPanel could rebuild Apache in a much shorter time. If there were less people accessing the sites, Apache could shut down much quicker and stop ignoring new requests.

The number of accounts that would have to be closed probably hundreds for CPanel to be effective as is on X10.

Also, you can host more than one site on your account using addon domains so you don't have to have so many accounts

 

[zen-r]

Exactly.

PC Hamster, whilst I enjoyed reading & appreciate your post, it seems as though you haven't read the posts made by Corey etc at the start of this thread. My understanding is that the main problem is the size of the config file (caused by so many registered accounts) which has to load every time Apache restarts.........And has little to do with the issues you highlighted in your post.

>> Good point about Geocities by the way. Staff, I hope you are on to this one. This is clearly an area where x10 could really stand to gain if the right moves are made as soon as possible. This could include targeted advertising towards Geocities members, some sort of deal with Geocities to allow plugs for x10 on their site, extra publicity via the media etc pointing out how x10 can facilitate an easy hosting transfer from Geocities, etc.

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[sonicsshadow]

Why not set up a server without cPanel on it and allow those who do not want to use cPanel to transfer to that server with the replacement. If people want cPanel and want to lose up time, then their server can be down all they want.

That way the people who don't need cPanel can benefit.

 

[garrettroyce]

I believe this problem is almost solved, while using CPanel, with good uptime.

http://forums.x10hosting.com/server-alerts/97962-cossacks.html

 

[lala123]

Just wondering, without the cPanel, functions like changing MX Records, Parked-Addon Domains,... will be gone away :nuts: . Nah, I don't like that.

 

[Livewire]

Just wondering, without the cPanel, functions like changing MX Records, Parked-Addon Domains,... will be gone away :nuts: . Nah, I don't like that.

cPanel doesn't add those functions, it just makes them accessable. Those are all controlled by Apache.

Basically, all cPanel does is add in a webpage to add the settings to apache so apache can serve the requests as you want it to. Can dot hat with any panel if you program it to



Edit: Actually I take part of it back, I'm not 100% POSITIVE it's all controlled by apache, but it seems odd that it wouldn't be.

 

[garrettroyce]

cPanel doesn't add those functions, it just makes them accessable. Those are all controlled by Apache.

Basically, all cPanel does is add in a webpage to add the settings to apache so apache can serve the requests as you want it to. Can dot hat with any panel if you program it to



Edit: Actually I take part of it back, I'm not 100% POSITIVE it's all controlled by apache, but it seems odd that it wouldn't be.

Yeah, that's all apache. CPanel just adds all the parked/addon/redirected domains to apache's configuration files then apache knows where to direct requests to that domain.

 

[PC Hamster]

I believe this problem is almost solved, while using CPanel, with good uptime.

http://forums.x10hosting.com/server-alerts/97962-cossacks.html

Wait till Cossacks becomes as loaded as Stoli is though.....

Cheers

Pat
Edit:

Just wondering, without the cPanel, functions like changing MX Records, Parked-Addon Domains,... will be gone away :nuts: . Nah, I don't like that.

But what's even worse is the idea of promoting a website with a URL like http://abcd.efgh.ijkl.com/. I'd just assume buy a TLD before I start pimping a URL like the example above.

Just my opinion....

Cheers

Pat

EDIT The above are TWO SEPERATE posts & ARE NOT Doubleposts

 

[lala123]

Hmm, so it'll be a bit confuse to work directly with the Apache (through the text editor with a bunch of code). But I think I can handle it, without the CPanel. There must be some tutorials posted on the Internet anyway.

I watched the server status many times, and I see that the Absolut and Starka server is the two servers that have most downtimes (Absolut down both HTTP and HTTPS in the same time, and Starka is HTTP). Nah, my website is on Starka server, I'm just unlucky. :dunno:
Staff, please do something!

 

[Smith6612]

Absolut in the past used to have the best uptime, and it was always Stoli that was going down, so things have changed

 

[garrettroyce]

Absolut in the past used to have the best uptime, and it was always Stoli that was going down, so things have changed

Yeah for sure. I was on Stoli in the bad old days.

You'd never have to edit a text file to configure Apache. The danger of the average user messing up Apache would be way too huge. Apache simply will not run if there is even a syntax error in the config, let alone a really harmful error. There will always have to be an automated system to do this, whether it be CPanel or Joe Schmo's Bargin panel.

 

[lala123]

Thanks, what I mean is edit some small parts of the Apache, not the entire big config file. But it's great to have an automated system .

 

[Joshua203]

I believe this problem is almost solved, while using CPanel, with good uptime.

I am noticing big time improvement in uptime too on cossacks last three days, looks good so far

greetings, ..Joshua203

 

[garrettroyce]

I am noticing big time improvement in uptime too on cossacks last three days, looks good so far

greetings, ..Joshua203

I just signed up for my free account, as I closed my old one, and I am on cossacks. It has been excellent. The FTP was a little slow for about 5 minutes yesterday, but I haven't noticed any other problems yet.

Corey is the MAN!